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I am a bit disappointed in VR performance in DCS. I have a 3570k Oc'd to 4.5 and a GTX 1080. In VR with 1.2 PD and x2 MSAA my cpu is running at less than 50% and my GTX 1080 is working at 98-100% and struggling to maintain 45FPS. Does this mean that I won't see a performance boost upgrading my CPU to a 8700k (Oc'd to 5GHz+) and upgrading my 1600hz DDR3 RAM to 3000Hz DDR4 RAM?

 

I am concerned that I would be wasting my money as it looks like my 12 month old GTX 1080 is bottleneck and holding back my 5 year old 3570k!

System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1.

 

Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals.

 

Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal!

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IMO you don't. Better buy 1080ti and lower your settings. And wait first as beta will finish.

 

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There is no point buying a 1080ti with the 2080 out in a few months

System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1.

 

Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals.

 

Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal!

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Many are struggling with VR performance in 2.5 OB. I would wait it out a little and see what ED can do to improve, before pulling the trigger on any upgrade.

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It's sure that there will be gains if you change for : more modern and faster Cpu, more modern and faster DDR4 (even if GPU already maxed out). It's sure. But :

1) it will be low, maybe something like 10 or 15 fps....

2) It surely won't be able to increase from 45fps to 90fps with DCS VR. You would just be able to be really more stable at 45fps. (according to your actual perfs)

BTW, a 8700K with fast DDR4 seems a solid Investment (futur proof no doubt and a clear upgrade for high cpu reliant games or ones that profit from hyper-threading).

Wiseness may be to wait but IMO you can't really regret to go for 8700K/DDR4.

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I am a bit disappointed in VR performance in DCS. I have a 3570k Oc'd to 4.5 and a GTX 1080. In VR with 1.2 PD and x2 MSAA my cpu is running at less than 50% and my GTX 1080 is working at 98-100% and struggling to maintain 45FPS. Does this mean that I won't see a performance boost upgrading my CPU to a 8700k (Oc'd to 5GHz+) and upgrading my 1600hz DDR3 RAM to 3000Hz DDR4 RAM?

 

I am concerned that I would be wasting my money as it looks like my 12 month old GTX 1080 is bottleneck and holding back my 5 year old 3570k!

 

 

Which modules do you have? If you fly an instant, you can see what you're getting. And others can chime in to see what they are getting.

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Considering the issues that v2.5 is currently having, I would certainly not upgrade my hardware in hopes of an improvement. Six months down the road is likely to be quite a bit different.

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With my old i7 it was even worse with hyperthreading on, but it was DCS 1.5. Now I'm not sure. Anyway, even DCS 2.5 use only one main thread and some for sounds and Starforce:

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I just upgraded from i7 4770 to i7 8700K and overclock to 5GHz. It is not only about the CPU but also about MB and DRAM4 too. My 1080GTX was used in both configurations.

I felt a considerably boost in performance from bearable VR to playable VR.

My experience shows that it worth for sure. I am sure that in your case the boost will be even more considerable.

 

Currently I have steady 45 FPS in DCS at PD 1.7.


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8700K is a good CPU and its thermal regim is lower than its predecesor.

As the box contained only the CPU I just reused my good old 2xFan Noctchua from the my previous 4770 which managed to keep it under 80C while in full load. Is not the king size cooler but the medium one. In Idle it goes down around 32-35C. A watercooler is planned, not because the temperature but to be able to add two more DRAM. Currently, one fan is a bit over first memory slot.

 

5GHz is not overkill for 8700k because its stock turbo is 4.8GHz.

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Thanks for the quick reply. How easy was it with your MB to OC your 8700k? Just a matter of using BIOS and changing some sliders? I'm not a OC-hobbyist, just interested in trying this when my 8700k arrives.

 

Thanks, in advance!

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Well.. there are two options according to your budget and skills. I went to the most expensive one buying an ASUS Maximus X Hero motherboard which is built for OC. I just set a specific tuning option in BIOS (TPU II is the name) and let the MB adjust all parameters.

 

Second option require some skills so that you can buy a cheaper MB and start tuning voltage, frequencies by yourself until you have a corect balance.

 

My choice for ASUS Maximus series is based on my previous experience with an older model and some reviews on the internet. This series really excel on stability while overclocked.

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Thanks for the quick reply. How easy was it with your MB to OC your 8700k? Just a matter of using BIOS and changing some sliders? I'm not a OC-hobbyist, just interested in trying this when my 8700k arrives.

 

Thanks, in advance!

 

Few changes in BIOS. For my EVGA MB (others are the same, more or less)

 

https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-Z170-Overclocking-Guide-m2395509.aspx

 

Even though the above is for 170 MBs, the concept still applies. You can see what I did and what voltage I'm using etc. from the link. Note, replacing the TIM and delid'ing is beyond easy to do. It's not required, but I consider it a piece of mind for a few bucks and about 45min of my time.

 

https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2776829

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It's basically only UPPING the vCore, the voltage for the CPU.

 

Usually, they peak out at about 1.375Volt+/- a little bit for 5G.

 

You do not need to change any other Voltage value other than the CPU core Voltage.

 

Only change other values after reading or asking what they are. Leave on Auto for now.

 

I lowered mine to default as my Auto was like 20-30% higher on any of them, for no reason but heat.

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I just upgraded from i7 4770 to i7 8700K and overclock to 5GHz. It is not only about the CPU but also about MB and DRAM4 too. My 1080GTX was used in both configurations.

I felt a considerably boost in performance from bearable VR to playable VR.

My experience shows that it worth for sure. I am sure that in your case the boost will be even more considerable.

 

Currently I have steady 45 FPS in DCS at PD 1.7.

 

My experience too. The new chips are so much more beneficial for VR. :thumbup:

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Just about to place an order for 8700k but trying to decide which MB and cooler. Current options:

 

MB:

ASRock Pro4

ASRock Extreme4

ASRock Fatal1ty Gaming K6

Asus ROG Strix H

 

Coolers:

Noctura NH-15s

NZXT Kraken X52

System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1.

 

Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals.

 

Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal!

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Get a good gaming MB, I posted a quick VR test HERE, after seeing all these VR threads popping up, of the performance I'm getting with only a 1070, I believe spending the extra on the MB has help with the overall performance of my rig and it's seems to be easier to gain OC MHz.

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The Noctua is a beast for air coolers, no bad choice.

 

Te kraken is nice too, but I would have a look at HardOCP's website for the cooler reviews, the Kraken is among the best but you might find another one that fits even better, some Corsairs are real nice too for AIO.

 

Actually, cpu-block + radiator + pump + tube = DIY and not so much more, but way better in the long run. YOu might wanna think about that one. We can assist you in picking the right parts. It starts with a good block...

 

I would now buy 2x16 or 2x8 but not a 4-ship RAM config if you wanna go fast and fat with RAM. Many still have probs using XMP on various ( even in QVL ) boards.

 

I would pick a Gigabyte, my Asus hates my RAM, I have heard much better things of Gigabyte's Z370 solutions meanwhile. Might be an option for you.

 

Asrock might be ok, I personally avoid them.

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I have decided to go the Noctura in the hope that it will man enough for 5GHz without delidding. I prefer air coolers as they are low risk and low maintenance. I will be going for 2x8gb 3200MHz DDR4 RAM as I can't afford 2x16GB right and will upgrade later once DCS (or star citizen) become RAM hungry.

 

Thanks for all the help.

System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1.

 

Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals.

 

Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal!

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