Shadow_1stVFW Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 From the manual: The throttles in the F-14 have detents preventing unintentional engine start and shutdown and unintentional selection of afterburner. Is it the intention, or could it be, to add a bindable command and/or special option like the Hornet has? I've heard the sounds in place in the Tomcat similar to what the Viggen has. But I, personally, would prefer a bindable command as I have found the most confidence in the bind other than a sound or other cockpit indications. Adding this also directly links to the statement in the manual. Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_1stVFW Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 Any comment on this? It's a big ticket item for me. Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARTOK Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yes, please, this makes a big difference when flying the FA18 and works really well. Heatblur, please consider this type of functionality for both the F14 and AJ37. As it is already in use on the FA18 to great effect (for myself and many others), the button for this functionality is already reserved on my throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airhunter Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yeah I agree, this would be a great option. That way you can just slam the throttle and not worry about being in AB. Then just hit a button when you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengou Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 There are already threads about this. Not a huge deal to me personally as the Tomcat, more than any other module bar the Viggen, really lets you hear and feel when the afterburner lights. Virpil WarBRD | Thrustmaster Hornet Grip | Foxx Mount | Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle | Logitech G Throttle Quadrant | VKB T-Rudder IV | TrackIR 5 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 | Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB | 32GB DDR4 3200 | SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARTOK Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 It's not so much about whether the aircraft indicates that you're in afterburner or not (great effects by the way!), but rather the inability to reliably set the throttle without engaging them. This leads to lots of wiggling to find the right setting, repeatedly engaging/disengaging the afterburners. This is even more prevalent when you attempt quicker adjustments. To quote myself from a separate post: "...would eliminate a lot of frustrating throttle wiggling back and forth trying to find 100% MIL without constantly engaging/disengaging the afterburner." The functionality works so well on the F/A-18, and emulates/simulates sufficiently the existence of the real life physical indications (i.e. detents/lift etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbil Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) For me personally, because I have a throttle with an adjustable detent, I prefer the way the tomcat works now as opposed to the f18. The f18 has a super dead zone at the bottom of the range near the idle detent that reads as nothing when you move the throttle. Wish it behaved just like the f14 does now instead. Edited March 20, 2019 by Arbil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny875 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 For me it worked right off the bat, just assigned the throttle axis and the detent in the TMWH was set perfectly, no curves needed. Given that it worked straight away I can only assume that Heatblur had this in mind when designing the F14b? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_1stVFW Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 For me it worked right off the bat, just assigned the throttle axis and the detent in the TMWH was set perfectly, no curves needed. Given that it worked straight away I can only assume that Heatblur had this in mind when designing the F14b?Too bad we don't all have warthog throttles, amirite? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 And even if we do, we might not want to have an odd curve on it to make it fit. #FFBThrottlesNeedToBeAThing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 +1 I am all for HB adding this afterburner detent as an option. While the sound of the throttles hitting the detents are amazing and have so far worked for me, I do have to make an effort to make sure I am listening for it and like others, I have to do a bit of wiggling at times to get it just right. i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny875 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) Too bad we don't all have warthog throttles, amirite? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Maybe yeah, but I’m not sure if I’m right about heatblur doing anything to ensure they work off the bat but that is my experience. And even if we do, we might not want to have an odd curve on it to make it fit. #FFBThrottlesNeedToBeAThing True, but like I said there are no curves added by me, just a linear throttle set. Do you have a TMWH? Why are you having to add a curve? I must admit that I was surprised that I didn’t have to set one. Attached is my current throttle setup at max MIL power, the area below this is AB separated by the detent. Edited March 20, 2019 by danny875 Adding photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck_Henry Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 And even if we do, we might not want to have an odd curve on it to make it fit. #FFBThrottlesNeedToBeAThing I'm just waiting for brain-computer interface VR (a la Sword Art Online) to be a thing so we don't even need to use controllers at all, and the sim software itself will simulate feeling the actual throttle and stick of the real aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.ZG15_FALKE Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Yeah if you ask me I would opt for the solution just like the F18. Everybody who dislikes the additional detent button could choose not to activate the feature. This way everybody should be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shadow_1stVFW Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 Any particular reason the only acknowledgement of this has been to "listen to the clicks in the sim" from the Heatblur team? I'm actually curious why to not consider this? I've given the clicks a solid try for the last couple of weeks, but have run into problems relying on them. - Hard to hear over jester at times - Hard to hear over the radio at times - The 'click' actually encompasses a range of throttle movement, at what point in the click actually full military power - Running through the click during ACM (divided attention) - Accidental selection of afterburner at undesirable times + On trap/bolter with a fast selection of mil + On the catapult + At night trying to avoid selecting afterburner + During TACFORM maneuvers I mean, I do appreciate the time taken to give the detent a sound, but why not give the detent a detent then? Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Time and priority? Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_1stVFW Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 Time and priority? is a reason to say "Good idea, we can look into it later" or "We won't do that" This has been brought up by a number of people in a number of places, they can't both be active and looking at the forums (there words) and not have time to acknowledge Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauvaaage Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 For me it worked right off the bat, just assigned the throttle axis and the detent in the TMWH was set perfectly, no curves needed. Given that it worked straight away I can only assume that Heatblur had this in mind when designing the F14b? Same here. Worked right away as it should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck_Henry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Any particular reason the only acknowledgement of this has been to "listen to the clicks in the sim" from the Heatblur team? I'm actually curious why to not consider this? I've given the clicks a solid try for the last couple of weeks, but have run into problems relying on them. - Hard to hear over jester at times - Hard to hear over the radio at times - The 'click' actually encompasses a range of throttle movement, at what point in the click actually full military power - Running through the click during ACM (divided attention) - Accidental selection of afterburner at undesirable times + On trap/bolter with a fast selection of mil + On the catapult + At night trying to avoid selecting afterburner + During TACFORM maneuvers I mean, I do appreciate the time taken to give the detent a sound, but why not give the detent a detent then? Wholeheartedly agreed. Heatblur, you've done a great job on recreating the F-14 for us simmers, but this is one of those times that the programmers and the SMEs need to meet us halfway. We don't all have throttles with options for physical detents, and the audible click is inconsistently useful as a tool to mitigate inadvertent or undesired afterburner selection. The menu option for a button press to push through the detent is something the F/A-18C module does objectively better than the F-14B. I'm sorry, but that's the long and short of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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