Alphamale Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 has anyone noticed different behavior of the 9X compared to the 9M? Or do we need the helmet to really see the benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Check the max range " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 They are still tweaking it, but you can definately notice the higher OBS capability, and Im feeling like it is faster aswell, but that is maybe on me. Range is better aswell. HOBS should really shine with the JHMCS as you said. ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 Check the max range I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 They are still tweaking it, but you can definately notice the higher OBS capability, and Im feeling like it is faster aswell, but that is maybe on me. Range is better aswell. HOBS should really shine with the JHMCS as you said. I have noticed it was faster, but I expected it to use higher AoA to find a TGT....also, have you noticed a continuous beeping sound after you've engaged and fired missiles? It continues even after all bandits are splashed....Is it coming from friendly based AA or SAMs? Didn't see anything on the EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Is a bug. The digital tone never goes off. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 Is a bug. The digital tone never goes off. Seriously?? E_M let's not go down that path again...you get me to think it's a bug, I pull the fire alarm, and you have a fun time laughing when it's discovered it's something simple...unless you're being serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted August 15, 2018 ED Team Share Posted August 15, 2018 No, its a known bug, fixed internally already. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 No, its a known bug, fixed internally already. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Lol, Alpha. You are taking me very seriously !!. But yes is a legit bug. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I fired one pretty close at a target flanking hard that I most probably would not have hit with the M or L. Those X models are featuring vector thrust and are controlled via the tail fins to be more maneuverable. You might compare it to the R-73... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancel Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 has anyone noticed different behavior of the 9X compared to the 9M? Or do we need the helmet to really see the benefits? Based on Wags' mini-update and his mention of flare rejection, it appears the (IMO) main advantage of the 9X is not yet in. In the real world, the 9X is very good at distinguishing between flares and its locked target. Dropping flares after a launch of a 9X may be very ineffective, though you can still drop flares in anticipation of a launch to prevent the lock in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Lol, Alpha. You are taking me very seriously !!. But yes is a legit bug. HAH, see? Now we're talking....:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPenn5 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Unless you’re flying a Syrian SU-22! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 6nm tail shot on an m2k at high speed seems a bit extreme, but then I dont have stats on its performance. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Based on Wags' mini-update and his mention of flare rejection, it appears the (IMO) main advantage of the 9X is not yet in. In the real world, the 9X is very good at distinguishing between flares and its locked target. Dropping flares after a launch of a 9X may be very ineffective, though you can still drop flares in anticipation of a launch to prevent the lock in the first place. Interesting..but can you not also lock the target in STT with, let's say, Boresight, like you can with the 9M and therefore you would have both radar lock and "heat source" lock at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Yes but this only focuses the seeker on that area, to aid getting a lock. Even on the rail it's using its own seeker. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Yes but this only focuses the seeker on that area, to aid getting a lock. Even on the rail it's using its own seeker. Only if you uncage it, right? Otherwise, it's getting info from the launching platform...what I thought anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cik Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 aim9 always uses own seeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrEaSeLiTeNiN Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Interesting..but can you not also lock the target in STT with, let's say, Boresight, like you can with the 9M and therefore you would have both radar lock and "heat source" lock at the same time? Yes but as another has said, the STT only guides the Aim9 seeker to the target while it's still on the rail. That means even with an STT lock, the seeker may not register an IR lock unless lock parameters like distance, heat signature aspect are met. But another point is that STT alerts the enemy. Some prefer the silent method - use only IR seeker (no radar lock). I've noticed (I think) the AI is a little less likely to use flares if locked up by IR only. AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC 8GB | 32GB Adata Spectrix D50 3600 Mhz (16x2) | Asus B550 TUF Plus Gaming | 2TB Aorus Gen4 HOTAS Warthog | TrackIR 5 | My Files | Windows 10 Home x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancel Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Only if you uncage it, right? Otherwise, it's getting info from the launching platform...what I thought anyway The info it gets is only directional data which the AIM-9 then uses to look in the indicated direction. The seeker head is gimbaled inside so it will physically turn its seeker to look in that direction. It then uses its own internal logic as normal to acquire a target, which may not always be what the radar is locked onto. The Sidewinder doesn't know the exact position of the target the radar is locked onto, only which direction the target is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Combat Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 And then when we get the JHMCS we'll be able to slave the seeker to our frickin HEADS!!! :). Like we can do in the Ruskie planes :). Nvidia RTX3080 (HP Reverb), AMD 3800x Asus Prime X570P, 64GB G-Skill RipJaw 3600 Saitek X-65F and Fanatec Club-Sport Pedals (Using VJoy and Gremlin to remap Throttle and Clutch into a Rudder axis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 The info it gets is only directional data which the AIM-9 then uses to look in the indicated direction. The seeker head is gimbaled inside so it will physically turn its seeker to look in that direction. It then uses its own internal logic as normal to acquire a target, which may not always be what the radar is locked onto. The Sidewinder doesn't know the exact position of the target the radar is locked onto, only which direction the target is in. Yes, that's what I was referring to in "info from platform" otherwise what's the point of locking if the missile never gets info, you're just alerting the aircraft you're targeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted August 16, 2018 ED Team Share Posted August 16, 2018 Based on Wags' mini-update and his mention of flare rejection, it appears the (IMO) main advantage of the 9X is not yet in. In the real world, the 9X is very good at distinguishing between flares and its locked target. Dropping flares after a launch of a 9X may be very ineffective, though you can still drop flares in anticipation of a launch to prevent the lock in the first place. 9X alredy has the highest flares rejection capability in the DCS. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHSStarKiller Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 The 9X is far more than just a Heat seeking Missile, if I remember correctly it also has video capability, as quiet as kept. Don't think has come full circle in the fleet so must have just been testing phase when I was in WTS/VX-9 back in the day, but as stated above, it is a nice gimbled crystal not like the 9M series and is internally cooled so days of the IR Cool switch are pretty much gone. Yes it can look behind itself, pilots used to use ground crew to track us, when it first came out it was kind of unsettling. ASUS ROG Strix Helios Case - ASUS AM4 ROG Strix X-570E MB - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 64 GB DDR4 3200 G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series - ASUS DualGeForce GTX 1070 - SSD 2x 1TB - HDD 10 TB - Windows 10 Home - Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS - Thrustmaster TPR Pedels - TrackIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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