Razbam/ED please clarify - Is the Harrier out of EA and consequently complete?

 

But tell me personally why the Harrier is useless to you, what makes it unplayable. I am not being a smart ass, or joking, I am totally serious. And anyone else is welcome to do this. What makes the Harrier unplayable or broken to you. Those are the things I want to see addressed first.

Allright, to me the issue is that the weapon systems modeling is all funneled to a the master computer (MC). This modeling is either broken or non existent as are many of the systems that feed the MC.

In a simple case you wanna drop a bomb on target.

You find target with the ARBS which gives you the range/Height over target (HOT). Problems here are: no contrast lock modeled at all, video res is all wrong, but most egregiously and the angle rate solution is instant and perfect (which it should not be, the ARBS has to meet specific angle track rates for certain periods of time to determine range, this is well known, and not "sekrit".) In fact harrier pilots using the arbs would fly certain profiles so that the system would work, currently you need to none of this in DCS because its not modeled.

So once the ARBS has the the HOT, it has certain ways of accounting for moving targets (not modeled), or also wind effects on the aircraft (movers and winds are handled in a similar way in the real AC). None of this is modeled, so if your target is moving, or there is any crosswind, you will miss.

In case your ARBS for some reason isn't working or you don't have a good solution, other sensors are used to get that HOT, radar alt/gps alt/ baro alt. All which have their problems if the ground isn't perfectly level. I.e. hilly terrain. Currently it totally doesn't matter as none of these effects, beyond a hud symbol changing are modeled AFAIK.

These are the problems effecting every unguided delivery model in the harrier. The TGP can be your source of target info, and again, to get good precision you should have to use the laser ranger to get that HOT, and to my knowledge you don't have to.

And this is a "simple" case example.

I mean I believe that at some point the "res" issues with the TGP's will get fixed in some unified fashion, so that's a more minor issue. But the fact that how an entire core system like the ARBS/MC is left in this arcade like mode is a major beef for me. As is the entire toss delivery mode (which would even better if I could setup burst heights for CBUs). It would like not modeling the AGR on the Viggen level of bad IMO.

And this is an issue thats been brought up time and time again here for several years.

Here's a pretty long list of things unimplemented/not working as intended for a study level sim outside of EA: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=285495

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I asked people to PM me their list of missing features, I had one person

What about this thread?

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=285495

As far as missing keybinds go ED needs a clause to exact a fine for every missing key bind per unit sold. You do that and the missing keybinds issue will disappear.

But, I forget. ED doesn't release modules out of EA.

Requested thread

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=226802

Last gripe that makes it unflyable. A Night Attack aircraft that you can't stand to fly at night. I'll admit that there have been some improvements over the six months, but the lighting was killing so bad I don't use it at night.

And just so I'm not labled a hater, I know to late, the last update they adjusted the roll rate. It made the thing feel very natural. With no change to my setup, I noticed a vast improvement.

And I went on their discord and told them.

And then went on to ask about keybinds. Crickets

Razbam: So... who is nineline?

Unbelievable. When you think you saw everything, Razbam always make it worst! :doh:

Makes you wonder what happened to =Decoy=

After this post i expect on next weekend news letter:

We are sorry to inform you that Razbam is no longer a 3rd party of DCS World.

Signed NineLine,community manager.

p.s: take this RB!

After this post i expect on next weekend news letter:

We are sorry to inform you that Razbam is no longer a 3rd party of DCS World.

Signed NineLine,community manager.

p.s: take this RB!

We can only wish, this would allow a competent dev to take over the F-15E license and to it justice (like ED)

Bignewy and Nineline, I want to take the time to thank you for reviewing these long lasting issues and concerns with the Harrier module. I do not envy your positions but I am very thankful that you two are looking into addressing and hopefully helping to have the community's concerns with this module resolved. Thanks again. :thumbup:

Yeah,quite a bit especially when as customer you feel your trust in the mother company (ED) and in the 3rd party (RB) was sent in the trash can.

After VEAO debacle ED stepped in saying no more of this but tbh lately i have a feeling that ED is not enforcing the proper weight on 3rd parties (OP missiles,fantasy planes performances,no damage model and excessive wait for update or just simply news.

ED in the last 3 years really improved as company but the same can't be said for other sub contractors.I wish for the future a stricter control from ED,in the mean time i will skip from buying other modules from companies i don't trust and this really make me sad cause i'm a mig23 lover

Bignewy and Nineline, I want to take the time to thank you for reviewing these long lasting issues and concerns with the Harrier module. I do not envy your positions but I am very thankful that you two are looking into addressing and hopefully helping to have the community's concerns with this module resolved. Thanks again. :thumbup:

I agree also thank you I really hope there is a resolution to all of this

And it doesn’t loose it’s steam as it has several times before the last 3 years. Also, why is this just now getting looked into by ED ?

Keep up the momentum please as there is much to be done

I have little conflicted thoughts about this whole thing.

Personally I would really like to see a MiG-23 in DCS. And I was first very happy that ED hinted that "we are not giving it away to anyone" that they are going to produce it. But, as can be seen, it has own story how Razbam announced it etc.

There has been years in Harrier that it has not received core features added or fixed. Making it just half-way working unit.

But when the Razbam promised that they will not release any new modules before all three modules (M2000C, AV-8B and MiG-19P) are out of Early Access and hopefully in end of 2020, it was first nice to hear that they would fix them and add the missing features.

But now, they seem to be pushing F-15E out ASAP. And to do that, they need to at least fullfill their promise of getting those three modules out of the EA. So what is the easiest way?

You just push them out and you call them "feature complete - but not bug free".

So personally I should be happy that MiG-23MLA release is closer, but then again why to even care when there is possibility it will just go through the same road as AV-8B, and end up to same situation?

I can think that Razbam is burning money and they need to start generating income from the F-15E. So they need to get ASAP it out.

Ah seems after a wonderful sleep the problem seems to have only gotten more complex...welp sorry but I gotta do it to'em.

Thank you for you patience in this multi day issue Nineline and others, I know your hands are probably tied when it comes to what you can say and ask.

@nineline

So maybe you can also get some clarification for us what "year" the raz harrier is supposed to be. I mean seriously its "sekrit"?

The only thing that has changed in the last 18 months is that I've given up on Razbam completely. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3933228&postcount=173 was the way I feel now, minus any care any more. Withheld purchase of the Mig19, because they have refused to talk to the forums, substantially, for over a year inorder to explain themselves. I'm sad that the Mig23 will never be something I can fly, ever. Same with the SHAR. I dont even care if they finish the features now, makes no difference.

Harrier isnt as bad as is made out, yes its missing plenty of buttons (most of the them on the UFC), and pages have more dead ends than their bug threads. A few clangers like bombing modes, and of course entire systems like hotspot detector, which i can forgive, as its rubbbish, and DCS doesnt support it, and TAMMAC, which is good and they should have, because the A-10 had SADL implemented... but overall, its not like you cannot have fun in it. But that's irrelevant. It's shallow. I mean really shallow. I dont think there is an SME touching it. "TOP SECRET" cannot say. Art work was great, FM was ... OK, although too easy, but systems and avioncs, rushed, and shallow. Two dead buttons isntead of IFF controls. That HUD overlay on the MFCD, who were they trying to fool? Looked horrid. Can't even tell you what version it is. It's hybrid of course, like their Mirage 2000C.... cough -5 mixups. They dont want to say, dont want to own up, not courageous enough to announce they arent attempting any of the missing features. Stealth EA pull, just their sneaky style. Can't tell you, it's secret.

You can't get a refund, you can try, its a fineprint thing. Act with your wallets, the damage is done long ago, this is not news.

F-15E? You have got to be joking.

Also, the way people acted here was too far and this was semi provoked. Sure, they should have a backbone and deal with it, but its too late now. The bug reports were terribly low quality. I read the community bug tracker. I stopped when I read a triplicate - but I dont want to insult someone that tried to handle it the best way they knew how. Still, gathering posts wasnt a great, some of those very out of date.

The entire affair is sad because the potential was all there, but they started with too complex. I feel sorry for the people like Tim who did such a great job.

I read the community bug tracker. I stopped when I read a triplicate - but I dont want to insult someone that tried to handle it the best way they knew how. Still, gathering posts wasnt a great, some of those very out of date.

No disrespect meant, but you should also have read the "read me" or the forum post where I clearly lay out the principles of the bug tracker.

In particular

This bug tracker doesn't substitute the forum reports, in fact you have to paste the link to the report. So the idea is, we list in the tracker all the reports, while the discussion, track submission etc. still happen on the official forum channel.

Note: the file is based ONLY on the forum posts (i.e. the official communication channel). If a forum bug report is not acknowledged, not tagged as [REPORTED], not tagged as [FIXED] or else there is no post from the devs inside the thread that says it is, it will appear as an open bug in the bug tracker.

I cannot possibly go and test each week, each and everyone of those reports and change the status myself, can I?

I believe I have dedicated, sorry, wasted enough time reporting bugs that went unanswered for years, and then making the community tracker (and updating it as much as possible).

@Nineline, my complaints and missing features are in the bug tracker. You can filter for "bkthunder" and see what I have reported and is still open.

I frankly have very little time to AGAIN make another list, maybe I will but it's difficult.

The main point you should take away is this product is not a highly accurate/realistic simulation of the Harrier. It's not accurate, the FM is missing key VTOL dynamics, the systems are half baked, weapons are missing.

What makes it useless for me? Simple. I bought this:

 

The subject of this study level simulation is the AV-8B N/A Bu No's 163853 and up which are the latest variant of this very capable AV-8B version.

 

Key Features of DCS: AV-8B N/A VTOL by RAZBAM include:

 

Advanced Flight Model that provides realistic performance and flight characteristics of a Vertical Takeoff and Landing (VTOL) aircraft

Highly detailed external 3D model and textures with animations

Highly detailed and accurate 6 DOF cockpit with high resolution textures, specular and bump mapping, and mouse-interactive controls

Highly realistic modelling of the aircraft systems including electrical, fuel, hydraulics, lighting, engine and navigation that includes:

Digital Engine Control System (DECS)

Automatic Fuel System

Air Refueling System

Electrical Power System

External Lighting

Internal Lighting

Hydraulic Power Supply System

Flight Control System (FCS)

Head-Up Display (HUD)

Up-front Control (UFC)

Option Display Unit (ODU)

Multipurpose Color Displays (MPCD)

VREST Computer (for jet-borne flight)

Air Data Computer (ADC)

Environmental Control System (ECS)

On-Board Oxygen Generating System (OBOGS)

Realistic weapons, sensor, and defensive systems include:

Air-to-Air and Air-to-Ground GAU-12 Equalizer 25 mm (0.984 in) 5-barreled Rotary cannon pod

6 under-wing pylon stations holding up to 9,200 lb (4,200 kg) of payload which include:

AIM-9 Sidewinder or similar-sized infrared-guided missiles

AGM-65 Maverick Air-to-Surface missiles

Mark 80 series of unguided bombs (including 3 kg [6.6 lb] and 14 kg [31 lb] practice bombs)

Paveway series of Laser-Guided Bombs (LGBs)

Joint Direct Attack Munitions (GBU-38, GBU-32, and GBU-54)

Mark 20 Cluster Bomb Units (CBUs)

AN/AAQ-28V LITENING targeting pod

ALQ-164 ECM Pod

Several skins

Detailed Operational Manual and Pocket guide

Instant Action, Single, and Training Missions

Detailed representation of the USS Tarawa (LHA-1), lead ship of her class.

For more information and support, please visit: RAZBAM

 

I did not get what is in there.

It is not a study level simulation. I am using DCS because it is.

If I buy a knife and you give me scissors, the scissors for me are uselss because I needed a knife. Get it?

Edit: here’s a fitting analogy to sum up.

I bought the tickets to see Top Gun, but I was given hot shots with Charlie sheen. Lol.