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Old 05-13-2020, 10:59 PM   #1
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We know that Razbam is working on the F15E with an undefined release date. Some guys are also speculating about the next ED jet being a full fidelity F-15C.

I'm no expert about the eagle family but it looks like the E can use every weapon the C can. So, except for a tiny little extra drag created by the conformal tank, I cant see how an E wouldnt be the best version to have in DCS if we had to choose.


What can a C do that a Strike Eagle can't ?

Other consideration : when Razbam releases its Strike Eagle, I dont see another 3rd party taking on the C project because sales will have been sucked dry by the earlier release of the E. I doubt people will buy a second module at full price that's so similar and less versatile than the one they already have in the hangar (queue the 10 die-hard f15c fans "a C eagle would be instabuy for me").
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Old 05-14-2020, 06:50 AM   #2
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As you worked out yourself, the E can do everything the C can do with a tiny bit less maneuverability/speed. That doesn't mean the C will be useless:

- Some people just prefer the simplified FC3 type of aircraft and don't want to be bothered with clickable cockpits and complicated avionic systems, so they will still prefer the C.

- If you just go doing A2A, then there is no advantage in the F-15E.

- And the biggest factor for me: We don't know how well made the F-15E will be. If it's poorly made and full of bugs then it will be no joy either.
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:55 AM   #3
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The F15C if made a full fidelty module would have a edge in a2a to the F15E due to potential JHMCs and Aim9X integration.

F15E's got them later relative to the C's , and AFAIK it seems the Razbam F15E won't be getting those.
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If I recall the E's CFT's are actually fairly draggy (which is why the C doesn't use them very much). Increased thrust helps with acceleration, but when it comes to maneuvering the C has a fair advantage.


The C is also capable of air to ground, obviously not as good as the E, but it's not strictly limited to AA.


If you're interested in historical conflicts, the C is also going to be preferred for earlier timeframes (since it came first) and was used in the air to air role more often.


I don't see why both can't exist next to each other in DCS. We have people interested in the F-14A and different Harrier variants already.
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The F15C if made a full fidelty module would have a edge in a2a to the F15E due to potential JHMCs and Aim9X integration.

F15E's got them later relative to the C's , and AFAIK it seems the Razbam F15E won't be getting those.
A full fidelity DCS F-15C could also be of a later date without AIM-9X and JHMCS integration...
Also, I have not seen any confirmation that RAZBAMs F-15E won't have AIM-9X and JHMCS.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not a big fan of the F-15(i just don't like it looks). If i would have to choose i would go for the "ED F-15C" instead of the Razbam F-15E. Why?
- F-15C is a single seat aircraft
- F-15E is dual seat
If i remember correct Razbam said they will not add an AI WSO like HB did with Jester. I love the AG role but an dedicated 2 seat Strike Eagle without an AI in the backseat? (i don't fly in MP that often), sounds useless to me. But on the other hand, maybe you can do most things from the front seat, as i said i don't know much about the F-15.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not a big fan of the F-15(i just don't like it looks). If i would have to choose i would go for the "ED F-15C" instead of the Razbam F-15E. Why?
- F-15C is a single seat aircraft
- F-15E is dual seat
If i remember correct Razbam said they will not add an AI WSO like HB did with Jester. I love the AG role but an dedicated 2 seat Strike Eagle without an AI in the backseat? (i don't fly in MP that often), sounds useless to me. But on the other hand, maybe you can do most things from the front seat, as i said i don't know much about the F-15.
I dunno. I get the impression the WSO has been redundant for sometime. In the 60s/70s they were fairly useful, but aside from being extra eyes, they really don't have a purpose (thus being almost completely phased out these days). I mean, think about all the single seat attackers with tpods/radar etc... pilot can do all that stuff just fine on his own with a decent UI in 9/10 other aircraft... so what makes the Strike Eagle unique in that it has to have one? *whisper* Nothing.
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Old 05-14-2020, 04:31 PM   #8
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Correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not a big fan of the F-15(i just don't like it looks). If i would have to choose i would go for the "ED F-15C" instead of the Razbam F-15E. Why?
- F-15C is a single seat aircraft
- F-15E is dual seat
If i remember correct Razbam said they will not add an AI WSO like HB did with Jester. I love the AG role but an dedicated 2 seat Strike Eagle without an AI in the backseat? (i don't fly in MP that often), sounds useless to me. But on the other hand, maybe you can do most things from the front seat, as i said i don't know much about the F-15.
Unlike the F-14 the F-15E has completely redundant cockpits, so both crewmembers can do everything, including flying the aircraft.
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Old 05-14-2020, 04:34 PM   #9
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Hi,


I read on these forums that a F-15E pilot can do everything from the front seat and the WSO is only here for better SA and mitigate task saturation. (unlike the F-14 or Tornado with 2 specific cockpits for example)


My first post was published with that assumption in mind. I probably should have mentioned it.


The only "smart" business decision i could see is for someone to release the C first and the same company or another one to release the E a couple years later. I could see myself buying both in that case.
If the E comes first, I'd buy it (if in a decent state of course) but wouldnt buy an upcoming C model unless yeeeaaaaarrrsssss later and probably not until it's with an interesting discount.


My 2 cents.


EDIT : Zhukov and QuiGon posted while i was typing this
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Old 05-14-2020, 04:46 PM   #10
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razbam's artistic and fm production quality simply isn't up to ed standard regardless of feature completion
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