hip3rion Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Hey guys, In this video at 2min01, an F-18 is launched. Isn't the launch bar supposed to spring back up after it's released from the shuttle ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 On the other hand: isn't putting the launch bar switch to 'retract' part of the pre-launch checklist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyman Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 yup, and the yellow-vested chappy that guides you onto the cat will give you a signal to do so, when the SC module is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 yup, and the yellow-vested chappy that guides you onto the cat will give you a signal to do so, when the SC module is out. Realize that IRL that signal is not given. When the aircraft is fully tensioned and the run-up signal is given, the pilot advances the throttles and then raises the switch on his own. No signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
med-taha Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 The procedure is well represented on this video: https://youtu.be/sDpslqbZKRU?t=997 The camera position is Just Waw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hip3rion Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 I read the NATOPS launch bar section, here is the quote ; "At the completion of the catapult stroke, launch bar/catapult separation occurs and the return springs cause launch bar retraction which allows the landing gear to be retracted. If the launch bar fails to retract after the aircraft is launched, the red L BAR warning light comes on and the nosewheel does not retract" I cant find a good video on youtube where I saw the launch bar springing back up right after it left the shuttle but it seems to be the case. Maybe I should post that in the bug section ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
med-taha Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I cant find a good video on youtube where I saw the launch bar springing back up right after it left the shuttle but it seems to be the case. here you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTRMcrew Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I believe I've read that the super hornet or even later model of the legacy raise automatically after launch, i.e. the switch is electrically moved. Which may be causing some confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hip3rion Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 Great, many thanks med-taha ! So now the question is ; is it just a matter of legacy vs rhino or DCS F-18 has that little issue not fixed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 This is not a bug. If you read page III-8-7 of A1-F18AC-NFM-000 you will see that for the late number hornets (ie our hornet) the launch bar switch needs to be placed in the retract position manually after engaging mil power, whereas the earlier numbers did it automatically. This issue often causes confusion and I see numerous people doing it incorrectly, as obviously the person flying the hornet in this video did. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 For the Lot Modeled Correct Procedure is to Put switch to retract after tension. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 That aligns with the IRL procedure I described on the previous page. Throttles advanced to mil, LB switch raised to retract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting57 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 That aligns with the IRL procedure I described on the previous page. Throttles advanced to mil, LB switch raised to retract. Hey G.B. just wanted to say it is awesome having your input here. Thank you. Win11 64bit, AMD Ryzen 58003DX, GeForce 3070 8GB, 2TB SSD, 64GB DDR4 RAM at 3200MHz _ full 1:1 FA-18C Cockpit https://www.youtube.com/@TheHornetProject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Hey G.B. just wanted to say it is awesome having your input here. Thank you. Much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) For the Lot Modeled Correct Procedure is to Put switch to retract after tension. Should failure to do this lead to the gear not retracting? Because that doesn't happen in game right now. Thanks. Edited April 21, 2020 by Flamin_Squirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadCat1381 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 It should prevent the nose landing gear from retracting, yes. MLG would still come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Thought so, thanks. Will raise as a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Thought so, thanks. Will raise as a bug. Don't forget the red Launch Bar warning light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Razor Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 ...or the green launch bar advisory light reminding you that the switch is in the extend position prior to launch! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Not sure will have to double check. But I think the launchbar switch is put to retract when the gear handle is put to retract. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Not sure will have to double check. But I think the launchbar switch is put to retract when the gear handle is put to retract. The LB switch is supposed to be raised while in tension in the catapult. The landing gear handle is raised once airborne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTRMcrew Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Adding to what GB says above; I'm RL pilot but not of hornets (B1900 biggest I've flown) what I do prior to launch (and this probably deviates from RL, GB may correct me) but I check 4-5 spots. First I check the warning panel left of the UFC, this should be black/ blank, this is where you would notice L BAR lit in green indicating status is not as it should be. Then I check the bottom of the left ddi for warnings. Check trim is set via right ddi. Then I do a quick left right view of my wings (easy to do with head tracking obviously). Then verify that's the position of the wing fold handle and it's locked. Then eyes down to the warning panel below it, this should be blank/black. This would be called a "flow" in civilian flying as your eyes and/or hands flow over the panels in a controlled and predictable manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 The LB switch is supposed to be raised while in tension in the catapult. The landing gear handle is raised once airborne. Im aware of that and said it earlier Im saying if you forgot to return LB switch after tensiom, raising gear handle might automattically trip LB switch, but its different for groups of blocks. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Im aware of that and said it earlier Im saying if you forgot to return LB switch after tensiom, raising gear handle might automattically trip LB switch, but its different for groups of blocks. I've looked into this a bit more; I can't see any reference to the gear lever having any involvement. On early models, moving the throttles to MIL or above, the L BAR switch returns to RETRACT. Later one's it does not, and it's up to the pilot to do it. I can't see anything else in NATOPs that catagorically states that failure to move the switch to retract will cause L BAR to illuminate red and prevent nose gear retraction; however one of the emergency responses is to ensure the switch is set to retract if the indication arises, so that is probably the case. Would you like me to raise as a bug, or are you happy to bring it up? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadCat1381 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Then please read NATPOS Part 1, chapter 2 item 2.10.1.1 Landing Gear Control Handle and item 2.10.4 Launch Bar System. Seems pretty obvious to me. And nowhere is stated, that there are other means than putting the launch bar switch to RETRACT to retract the launch bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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