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Old 05-25-2018, 11:32 PM   #1
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According to a changelog the new mistral distance will be 7 Km but still 4 km, something wrong?
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:54 AM   #2
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The Mistral detection range vs a Mi-8 is about x4 what it used to be.

I've just done a quick test in 2.5.2 and detected a Mi-8 on a FARP @ 5.5 km (shot fell to ground before hitting target but I was low @ 200m AGL) and had a rear aspect kill shot on another @ 4.8 km using the Mistral.



AFAIK 7 km is a maximum range - dependent on target aspect and size with say, a smaller/cooler KA-50 having a shorter range than a F-15 using afterburner.

Although 4 km shots are possible, I prefer closer (~2 km) shots, as they allows positive target ID and the target has less time to spot the missile/deploy flares.

As far as I can tell, nothing has changed regarding Mistral range between 2.5.1 and 2.5.2

YMMV.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:03 AM   #3
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The Mistral detection range vs a Mi-8 is about x4 what it used to be.

I've just done a quick test in 2.5.2 and detected a Mi-8 on a FARP @ 5.5 km (shot fell to ground before hitting target but I was low @ 200m AGL) and had a rear aspect kill shot on another @ 4.8 km using the Mistral.



AFAIK 7 km is a maximum range - dependent on target aspect and size with say, a smaller/cooler KA-50 having a shorter range than a F-15 using afterburner.

Although 4 km shots are possible, I prefer closer (~2 km) shots, as they allows positive target ID and the target has less time to spot the missile/deploy flares.

As far as I can tell, nothing has changed regarding Mistral range between 2.5.1 and 2.5.2

YMMV.
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Old 05-26-2018, 01:28 PM   #4
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You quote from Open Beta 2.5.1 released on 25th April 2018 (as I said, prior to that patch, the 'lock' range was approx 1.5 km).

If you want Polychop to increase the range of the MBDA Mistral - you'll need to say, against what target/aspect you think the range is too small and why.

Would you like the SA-18 Igla manpad range to increase similarly, as it is a similar class of missile or is your complaint that the 2.5.1 patch note is inaccurate and you expected all targets, regardless of size/aspect, to be in range at 7 km ?

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Old 05-26-2018, 03:03 PM   #5
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You quote from Open Beta 2.5.1 released on 25th April 2018 (as I said, prior to that patch, the 'lock' range was approx 1.5 km).

If you want Polychop to increase the range of the MBDA Mistral - you'll need to say, against what target/aspect you think the range is too small and why.

Would you like the SA-18 Igla manpad range to increase similarly, as it is a similar class of missile or is your complaint that the 2.5.1 patch note is inaccurate and you expected all targets, regardless of size/aspect, to be in range at 7 km ?

NO complains here, just read about the missile range by Polychop and I was curious, maybe the company can clarify my doubts over here
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:00 AM   #6
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Hi,
Here's what I have here in 2.5.2 OpenBeta
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:02 AM   #7
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here's the acmi file
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:08 AM   #8
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I'm not sure what you guys mean.
Range is ok for me, around 7.4 km, The missile can be shoot at any aspect.
Hitting the target is a different story though.

Without the target dispensing flares, around 100% hit at any range.
Above 3 to 4 km when target is dispensing flares hitting the target will rely on "luck".
Below 3 km you have a better chance to hit the target even with target dispensing flares.

But all this depend on a lot of conditions...

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Old 05-27-2018, 11:22 AM   #9
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I'm not sure what you guys mean.
Range is ok for me, around 7.4 km, The missile can be shoot at any aspect.
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But all this depend on a lot of conditions...
Thanks, for taking the time to test.

I'd jumped into my 'target rich' Gazelle sandbox mission to test if @stalhuth's enquiry/report was accurate, didn't mean to suggest 7 km wasn't possible - just 4 launches at random Mi-8's, to see if anything had changed in 2.5.2, it hadn't.
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