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Old 11-08-2019, 11:12 AM   #51
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The large (silent) majority is just happy and proud of what you do for us every day!
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:21 AM   #52
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The large (silent) majority is just happy and proud of what you do for us every day!
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:22 AM   #53
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Thank you to all for your support and patience, it means a lot to us.
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Old 11-08-2019, 12:30 PM   #54
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it hurts my soul to see the hostility you are sometimes confronted with.
I absolutely agree that insults/hostility etc is unnacceptable.

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I have the feeling that you can never please some of these people!
This is where I disagree. While there is certainly impatience, much of that is caused by ED poor communications to date, and chopping and changing what is an 'acceptable' release state, in quantity and quality, and by going against previously stated positions which themselves were used to justify/downplay concerns.

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The large (silent) majority is just happy and proud of what you do for us every day!
Going to be that person who says how do you know it is a silent majority who are positive, vs a silent majority who are negative? None of us can speak for anyone but ourselves.

I am hopeful that the recent improvements in communication are sustained, and not just being used to ameliorate concerns around the F16 launch - but it is beholden to ED to do better in their workload estimation, planning, communication, clarity of and sticking to a 'baseline' quantity and quality of feature at launch.
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:01 PM   #55
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This is where I disagree. While there is certainly impatience, much of that is caused by ED poor communications to date, and chopping and changing what is an 'acceptable' release state, in quantity and quality, and by going against previously stated positions which themselves were used to justify/downplay concerns.
Is the communication really that bad? I'm not a software developer myself, but I'm responsible for demanding multi-million projects. The difficulty lies in the complexity of the task. We all want to have as much information as possible in advance, yes we urge the developers on this platform to respond. As so often in life and no matter in which branch, surprises, problems and changes await those who are responsible. Not everything can always go according to plan and that's exactly what some people come across here in the forum, because originally A was promised and B was made. My only concern is to show some understanding and not to blame everything on bad communication or faulty strategies / developments. Which of us is already free of mistakes?

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Going to be that person who says how do you know it is a silent majority who are positive, vs a silent majority who are negative? None of us can speak for anyone but ourselves.
I totally agree with you! I am not entitled to speak for the rest of the forum. In this respect I have probably expressed myself somewhat unhappily - it was only meant well. However, I was often allowed to lead conferences with numerous visitors and have always had the experience that those who see problems in a matter were much louder and more dominant than the agreeing (silent) rest. So I took the liberty to use my experience for this forum as well. Please don't hold it against me...
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:18 PM   #56
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The large (silent) majority is just happy and proud of what you do for us every day!
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So much THIS!
I'm sure the Devs know that those who really support them are the silent ones, but posts like this certainly do help to keep the morale up
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:55 PM   #57
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It’s been almost 2 months since we had a stable update. I think the beta people can quit whining.
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Old 11-08-2019, 03:42 PM   #58
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It’s been almost 2 months since we had a stable update. I think the beta people can quit whining.
And why is that? Because the Viper has been launched so bare boned and with so many issues that they by neccessity need to hold back on updating stable until its got to a point that is 'acceptable'.

If it had stayed in the oven for another few months, then stable could have been updated more frequently.

So for me, the length of time stable has gone without an update is absolutely a consequence of releasing the Viper far too early so people complaining that the Viper isn't being updated frequently enough with decent sized steps forwards are in fact also (in effect) agreeing with those complaining of a lack of updates to stable, and vice versa!
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:01 PM   #59
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And why is that? Because the Viper has been launched so bare boned and with so many issues that they by neccessity need to hold back on updating stable until its got to a point that is 'acceptable'.
Proposal to all those for whom development is not fast enough. Uninstall the Viper and only reload it when it is stable. In the meantime just pretend it hasn't been released and please be happy if it's stable with more features.

Would the Viper be further developed today if DCS had held it back? All speculation! I don't believe it and find the mostly constructive feedback of the community helpful to further develop the aircraft.

At the weekend I'm thinking about what's wrong in my life, that I still have so much fun with the Viper...
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:04 PM   #60
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I'm not sure why someone would buy into a beta program and then not use the beta version?
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