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Old 01-07-2017, 10:25 AM   #1
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Is Belsimtek going to release some performance charts for the F-5E-3? I know it is possible to download the annex of the TO.1f5-e1 real-life Flight Manual, but:
1º Those real-life charts are really difficult to read and understand for a non trained pilot, and far too complex for simulation purposes.
2º Those charts are for the F-5E-1 model with smaller LERX and different nose, and for real life. I don´t think can be really applied for the simulator.

It would really nice if Belsimsek could add to the Flight Manual an annex with some nice and clear charts regarding climb speeds and angles, cruise speeds, fuel consume, flight range, etc. at full and military thrust for some typical weights and loads, altitudes, etc. It is really difficult fo create a proper flight plan without that kind of basic data. Also, some basic energy manegement charts for this simulated plane and some weapons charts would be great.

Come on, Belsimsek, you are a serious company, don´t wait other people do the job for you: you should provide that kind of basic information with your product since day one of release, not just wait that your pay customers do their own charts or lose a lot of time searching internet for real life-manuals that barely understand and could or could not be useful for this simulated plane. Just saying

PD. Would be nice too if you could simulate flameouts and compressor stalls since the flight manual says that are possible under certain circunstances.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:36 PM   #2
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This manual was updated 1990 and contains the F-5E-3.
Look on page 8 from the PDF under section G. This is the sign (E-3) to look for in the charts if the F-5E-3 has other readouts.

For missionplanning you can read the PDF from my post
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:05 PM   #3
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This manual was updated 1990 and contains the F-5E-3.
Look on page 8 from the PDF under section G. This is the sign (E-3) to look for in the charts if the F-5E-3 has other readouts.

For missionplanning you can read the PDF from my post
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180413

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Thank you very much, my friend, but this is just what I do not want. I do not want to have to decipher a bunch of strange graphics in low resolution and then to do a lot of arithmetic operations to calculate drag indexes and other things that are applicable in real life but probably not in a home simulation. I just want to know, for example, a good speed and angle of ascent if my plane weighs between 16,000 and 20,000 lbs, or which cruising speed is recommended if I fly at 30,000 ft. with two external deposits, and what approximate range I can expect. Basic data like that. I think Belsimtek should provide basic tables or charts with that kind of information adapted to the simulator. After all, our planes do not fly in the actual atmosphere subjected to real physics, and I doubt that those tables in the actual airplane manual really apply and most of us are not trained pilots and don´t have to know about calculate drag indexes and stuff.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:32 PM   #4
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The docs referenced would provide the information you seek. It seems like a lot of useless stuff at first, but rest assured it is applicable in dcs
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This manual was updated 1990 and contains the F-5E-3.
Look on page 8 from the PDF under section G. This is the sign (E-3) to look for in the charts if the F-5E-3 has other readouts.

For missionplanning you can read the PDF from my post
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180413

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Actually, I'm suspect that most of us only have the 1978 version that is uploaded in the user files.

EDIT: Well, my bad, actually the 1990 version is also there: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.c...ase_id=5345260
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:20 PM   #6
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I just don't understand why a company does the hard work, to create the simulated airplane, and fails to do the easy work, to provide the customers, most of us not trained pilots, ALL useful information about how to fly the plane and fight with the plane. For example, most payware addons for FSX or P3D include performance charts in manuals. I don´t know why Belsimtek does not includes that kind of information in the F-5E. Also I don't understand why there isn´t a good flight planner in DCS Word, but that´s another story.
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i dont understand why you say you want to learn but balk at actually having to make an effort
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i dont understand why you say you want to learn but balk at actually having to make an effort
Because, dear Probad, DCS is a home simulation, I´m not a trained pilot and I should not have to deal with really complex graphics in low resolution from real-life manuals written for trained pilots, mathematical calculus of drag indexes and so on. Because other simulation software developers provide performance charts for their products as a basics. Because this software is really complex to use, and many people do not buy it precisely for that, so if Belsimtek makes life easy for its customers, they will probably sell more.
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Because, dear Probad, DCS is a home simulation, I´m not a trained pilot and I should not have to deal with really complex graphics in low resolution from real-life manuals written for trained pilots, mathematical calculus of drag indexes and so on. Because other simulation software developers provide performance charts for their products as a basics. Because this software is really complex to use, and many people do not buy it precisely for that, so if Belsimtek makes life easy for its customers, they will probably sell more.
Welcome to DCSW and yes it is complex just like them data charts and manuals, If DCSW was not this complex i wouldnt use it.
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Welcome to DCSW and yes it is complex just like them data charts and manuals, If DCSW was not this complex i wouldnt use it.
Well, congratulations. But if Belsimsek at some point releases performance charts for the F-5E, you don´t have to use them. You can continue using that low resolution charts that you have find somewere in internet and trying to figure out for yourself what is that "drag index" and how it can be useful in a simulated environmet. You know that, don't you? But you can understand that some simmers prefer nice and clear charts and data, don´t you?
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