Cowboy10uk Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Hi guys, well im still here looking at blooming pc specs after a few months, and i think Ive got the build almost right for DCS, SC and P3d / XP11. Anyway, may i please ask you guys to look through one more time at the 2 specs ive come up with. The pcs are pretty much identical builds with the only differences being cooling ( Watercooling vs aircooling ) and although both GPUS at 1080 TIs one is watercooled and one is aircooled. soundcards included purely for use with my jetseat Basically the choice now is what sort of cooling should i go for. Both pcs are by the same builder Scan Computers in UK. WATERCOOLED PC Cases Corsair Crystal Series 570X [Red] £184.98 inc VAT Custom CPU & GPU Water Cooling Stage 3 CPU & GPU Watercooling – Custom water cooled loop designed for cooling the CPU and a single GPU. Includes an EK DDC PWM pump, EK CPU block, EK GPU block, 360mm radiator, fittings, tubing and three high quality Corsair ML120 PRO fans. £411.38 inc VAT Coolant Blood Red £28.96 inc VAT LED Lighting Red £7.49 inc VAT Motherboards Asus ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING - Supreme FX audio, Aura Lighting, Intel LAN, WiFi £194.99 inc VAT Intel CPUs and Overclocking Intel Core i7 8700K, Coffee Lake, 6-Core with Hyperthreading, 3.7GHz, 4.7GHz Turbo [Overclocked - CPU professionally overclocked up to 4.8GHz] £319.79 inc VAT Memory 32GB (2x16GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200MHz [black] £390.49 inc VAT Graphics Cards 11GB EVGA GTX 1080 Ti GAMING, 1480MHz GPU, 3584 Cores, 11000MHz GDDR5X - GeForce GTX VR Ready [single card] £689.99 inc VAT GeForce Experience NVIDIA GeForce Experience (requires NVIDIA graphics card) £0.00 inc VAT Graphics Card Overclocking Your choice of graphics card professionally overclocked, Requires Windows to be purchased with the system & adds an additional days testing £30.00 inc VAT Power Supply Unit 1000W Corsair HX1000, Full Modular, 80PLUS Platinum, SLI/CrossFire, Single Rail, 83.3A, 135mm Fan, ATX PSU LN80544 £169.99 Storage - Solid State Drives - PCIe (NAND) 1TB Samsung 970 EVO, 3400MB/s Read, 2500MB/s Write, 500K IOPS £319.99 inc VAT Storage - Solid State Drives - SATA 1TB Samsung 860 EVO, Read 550MB/s, Write 520MB/s, 98K IOPS £214.99 inc VAT Storage - Hard Disk Drives 2 x System Drives - These drives have been hand-picked as systems drives as they have the highest spindle speed and cache so deliver the best performance for a mechanical hard disk drive. [4TB WD Black WD4005FZBX, 7200rpm, 256MB Cache] £337.96 inc VAT Optical Drives Asus Blu-ray Reader/Writer - External £79.99 inc VAT Sound Cards Asus STRIX SOAR £64.49 inc VAT £3825.48 0r AIRCOOLED PC Cases Corsair Crystal Series 570X [Red] £169.99 inc VAT Motherboards ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING £194.99 inc VAT Intel CPUs and Overclocking Intel Core i7 8700K, Coffee Lake, 6-Core with Hyperthreading, 3.7GHz, 4.7GHz Turbo [Overclocked - CPU professionally overclocked up to 4.8GHz]£319.79 inc VAT CPU Coolers Corsair Hydro H150i PRO RGB with three ML120 fans £152.99 inc VAT Memory 32GB (2x16GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200MHz [black] £390.49 inc VAT Graphics Card 11GB EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW3, 1569MHz GPU, 3584 Cores, 11000MHz GDDR5X - GeForce GTX VR Ready [single card] £753.98 inc VAT GeForce Experience NVIDIA GeForce Experience (requires NVIDIA graphics card) £0.00 inc VAT Graphics Card Overclocking Your choice of graphics card professionally overclocked, Requires Windows to be purchased with the system & adds an additional days testing. £30.00 inc VAT Power Supply Unit 1000W Corsair HX1000, Full Modular, 80PLUS Platinum, SLI/CrossFire, Single Rail, 83.3A, 135mm Fan, ATX PSU LN80544 £169.99 Storage - Solid State Drives - PCIe (NAND) 1TB Samsung 970 EVO, 3400MB/s Read, 2500MB/s Write, 500K IOP £319.99 inc VAT Storage - Solid State Drives - SATA 1TB Samsung 860 EVO, Read 550MB/s, Write 520MB/s, 98K IOPS £214.99 inc VAT Storage - Hard Disk Drives 2 x System Drives - These drives have been hand-picked as systems drives as they have the highest spindle speed and cache so deliver the best performance for a mechanical hard disk drive. [4TB Western Digital Black, 7200rpm, 256MB Cache] £337.96 inc VAT Optical Drives Asus Blu-ray Reader/Writer - External £79.99 inc VAT Sound Cards ASUS STRIX SOAR £69.49 inc VAT Aftermarket Fans 120mm Corsair LL120 RGB LED x3 £72.98 inc VAT LED Lighting Red £7.49 inc VAT £3612.10 Cowboy10uk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Fighter pilots make movies, Attack pilots make history, Helicopter pilots make heros. :pilotfly: Corsair 570x Crystal Case, Intel 8700K O/clocked to 4.8ghz, 32GB Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200 MHZ Ram, 2 x 1TB M2 drives, 2 x 4TB Hard Drives, Nvidia EVGA GTX 1080ti FTW, Maximus x Hero MB, H150i Cooler, 6 x Corsair LL120 RGB Fans And a bloody awful Pilot :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I would add another 100 bucks and make the 860 a 2nd 970 EVO and run 2 NVMe's. According to the reviews I read, I'd ask them if they can use watercool HeatKiller blocks on cpu and gpu, they are superior to EK. A 1080ti-FE with a HK block will likely hit 2100MHz at 30-32°C ! No need to buy a fancy FTW3 or XYZ-Turbo blingbling. Just my ideas. in short: dump the SSD and get a 2nd NVMe, take the DIY Loop kit but I would want Watercool over EK anytime and a FE is all you need for a DIY looped GPU. If you like silence, make sure you have 2 rads, 2 x 120mm or bigger. A single 3x120mm will have to fight the heat like mad, more rad makes it easier to cool and more silent. I would max out the rad space...AND USE QUICK CONNECTORS by Koolance !!!!!!!! or you have a BIG mess when you need to take the GPU out etc... The rig looks awesome, very nice ! Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 NVMe m.2 would be my choice for OS / gaming drives I would use a standard AIO water cooler eg nzxt kraken, will do the job 32G of 3866 RAM would be a better buy Zotac 1080TI of some type would be my choice (5 year warranty) METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 nzxt lately had not-so-nice reviews about their aio's. pump issues etc.. I'd avoid them till the issues are cleared Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I would never buy a tempered glass case no matter how stunning it is. My advice is the new Master case 500 series. They are still great to look at and pretty much the best airflow. As for the rest of the configuration I would get the second option. The 8700K uses cheap TIM and you would require a delided or a soldered CPU in order to take advantage of all that dissipation capability. The custom waterloop is not worth it IMHO (also is alot more maintenance intensive) [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Lot of folks use overclocked 8700K w/o water cooling or delid'ing, I'm guessing. But it *never* hurts to reduce the temperature. I for one use a simple AIO CPU cooler from EVGA (I think). But I *did* delid it using RockitCool's kit. Like $50 bucks and 45 min of my time. Best thing I did! Lowered my temperature by 10C or more. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 what I meant is that the cheap TIM of the CPU will make it impossible to max out the custom waterloop. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 what I meant is that the cheap TIM of the CPU will make it impossible to max out the custom waterloop. Understood. I too thought about what the limiting factor is. What the governing factor is. But I think we can agree that water cooling is generally more efficient than air cooling, but to your point, I don't know if you hit the TIM inefficiency wall before that. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazduc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I would consider a different Asus motherboard. ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero or ASUS ROG Maximus X Code or ASUS ROG Maximus X Apex. Overclocking on the Asus Strix is problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I would consider a different Asus motherboard. ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero or ASUS ROG Maximus X Code or ASUS ROG Maximus X Apex. Overclocking on the Asus Strix is problematic. OC works fine on mine but beware the RAM QVL if you buy fast & fancy. 8th gen IMC does not like 4 modules at borderline specs/speeds. 2 modules are less problematic... Just there is no 16gb module at 3600 and good CL... that's the dilemma. Going 32gb has a few drawbacks till Samsung has 16gbit dies available Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy10uk Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Hi guys thankyou for all the advice. The order has been placed. In the end I ended up going for the aircooled system with the H150i liquid cooler. After speaking to Scan, comments on here and other flight sim sites and my general cold feet about full watercooling as well as the requirement for increased mantinance and the extra hassle when it comes to upgrading GPU s at later dates, I think it was the right choice. I did make a few changes to the spec however, I swapped the Z370 motherboard to a Maximus X Hero, and swapped the 1tb 860 evo for a 2nd 970 evo M2 drive. I also added another 3 LL120 fans, to replace the stock fans in the case and on the H150i. Hopefully all will be here in a week or so, and we will see what difference it makes. Thanks again for everyone’s input. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Fighter pilots make movies, Attack pilots make history, Helicopter pilots make heros. :pilotfly: Corsair 570x Crystal Case, Intel 8700K O/clocked to 4.8ghz, 32GB Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200 MHZ Ram, 2 x 1TB M2 drives, 2 x 4TB Hard Drives, Nvidia EVGA GTX 1080ti FTW, Maximus x Hero MB, H150i Cooler, 6 x Corsair LL120 RGB Fans And a bloody awful Pilot :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Yikes ... Scan , fingers crossed you have no problems Their customer support is a bit poor METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy10uk Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 Yikes ... Scan , fingers crossed you have no problems Their customer support is a bit poor To be fair, been using them for years for my components with no problems although this will be the first time I’ve purchased a system from them. Certainly the dealings I’ve been having with them this time round seem very promising. I’ll keep everything crossed however [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Fighter pilots make movies, Attack pilots make history, Helicopter pilots make heros. :pilotfly: Corsair 570x Crystal Case, Intel 8700K O/clocked to 4.8ghz, 32GB Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200 MHZ Ram, 2 x 1TB M2 drives, 2 x 4TB Hard Drives, Nvidia EVGA GTX 1080ti FTW, Maximus x Hero MB, H150i Cooler, 6 x Corsair LL120 RGB Fans And a bloody awful Pilot :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 that will be a tremendous upgrade, enjoy!!! [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I swapped the Z370 motherboard to a Maximus X Hero :thumbup: Did you check memory compatibility? Regards, Django. | BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 | | I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case | | Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy10uk Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 Yep certainly did. No issues there. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Fighter pilots make movies, Attack pilots make history, Helicopter pilots make heros. :pilotfly: Corsair 570x Crystal Case, Intel 8700K O/clocked to 4.8ghz, 32GB Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200 MHZ Ram, 2 x 1TB M2 drives, 2 x 4TB Hard Drives, Nvidia EVGA GTX 1080ti FTW, Maximus x Hero MB, H150i Cooler, 6 x Corsair LL120 RGB Fans And a bloody awful Pilot :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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