[REPORTED] Fw 190 Cockpit Bar! (answer Post #173)

I agree, the room in the 190 cockpit is very limited in terms of vertical height, but I can't help thinking that as the pilots head moved around.....like they do, it was possible that at certain times the 'bar' could have just slightly obstructed the bottom portion of the sight aperture, and this would have been more apparent when the viewpoint was highest....like when the pilot was at a stretch to look over the nose for that deflection shot.

First pic is from the "original" FW 190 D-9 spare parts list (October 1944)

Second pic is a production drawing from the Bremen factory for the A-8.

 

Look at the drawing number and you will see, that the drawing of the frame has the same number >> same part by FW 190 A-8 and D-9.

 

But that doesn't take into account the optical distortion of what you realy would see.:music_whistling:

Interesting info Kodos about the same part numbers.... more grist to the Mill :)

OK You have to see how the Gun sight is actually attached to the dashboard frame because normally it's quite high and pretty much in the middle of a windshield.. So it maybe possible that the gun sight was higher than the actual drawing which is often the case.

Here a quick search for some 190 flying.. now look at the normal pilot position. The helmet has a specific function and it's not really made for crashes :)

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/fw190/ta152h.shtml

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/fw190/fw190d13.shtml

http://igor113.livejournal.com/198010.html

have a look at this video:

there can be no pictures/movies better than this to actually see how it should look like from inside 190's cockpit :)

a inconvenient truth :P...just shows how good those pilots were back then, adapt. Wonder how many inches the camera was mounted above eye level.

Camera is clearly almost touching the upper cockpit glass so how

is the posted video and pic relevant anyway for cockpit bar visibility discussion? :)

This video footage is excellent ! :thumbup: just not exactly bar related .

~S!~ HG

So what's next ? :D

So what's next ? :D

We'll find a misplaced polygon on the model when the next batch of screenshots shows up.

^^^ The cockpit textures could use some work, otherwise not bad! :D

how could this video not be relevant? even if it's clear that the camera is mounted atop pilot's helmet, the pilot is constantly changing his head's position during the movie, so you'll find plenty of position relevant moments.

And even if the FW190A and FW190D didn't had the same nose, I'm sure the windshield's and the bottom front part of cockpit's mounts with the fuselage are almost the same, if not perfectly identical.

IvanK's still is almost the perfect spot for pilot's eye-gunsight alignment position.

how could this video not be relevant? even if it's clear that the camera is mounted atop pilot's helmet, the pilot is constantly changing his head's position during the movie, so you'll find plenty of position relevant moments.

 

And even if the FW190A and FW190D didn't had the same nose, I'm sure the windshield's and the bottom front part of cockpit's mounts with the fuselage are almost the same, if not perfectly identical.

 

IvanK's still is almost the perfect spot for pilot's eye-gunsight alignment position.

but at no time can he lower the camera's eye...he would need to slouch in his seat to bring the camera to true eye level, and that s not possible.

that would be the view of a very tall pilot, even if the camera is mounted on his far head (unlikely), its still high. I'm sure the Germans had a height limitation on pilots, may not be easy to find :)

The original drawing clearly shows that no bar is in the view.

The quality of the image is low on purpose but you can see

that the hinges and mounting of armoured windshield is on level

with the cowling. This is the Ta152 but there is no difference

in the construction drawings of the 190, 190D and Ta152.

And this is the only image of the drawings I will post. And to me

the drawings are conclusive that every model that has a bar in the

view from the pilot are wrong! The drawing is a copy from 1943.

Well all I can see is that there is an even bigger black bar obstructing the bottom of the sight apperture in the real thing, anybody got a low res drawing and a strong opinion to prove it wrong?

Well all I can see is that there is an even bigger black bar obstructing the bottom of the sight apperture in the real thing, anybody got a low res drawing and a strong opinion to prove it wrong?

You surprise me Bongo, you always have posted common sense in the past...how many inches would you guess the camera is above the pilots line of sight?

In this particular screen grab I'd say the camera has come down to natural eye line because the pilot has dipped his head momentarily, let's face it, if the eye point became any lower than the screen grab shows then forward visibility will be even more compromised.

In this particular screen grab I'd say the camera has come down to natural eye line because the pilot has dipped his head momentarily, let's face it, if the eye point became any lower than the screen grab shows then forward visibility will be even more compromised.

the pilot would need to slouch in his seat...not possible