Mission 12 - lost in frustration

I'm actually stuck in mission 12 having problems to trigger an event.

See spoiler for details if you already played mission 12.

I'm actually stuck in mission 12 having problems to trigger an event.

See spoiler for details if you already played mission 12.

 

 

 

- So how long do you have to hover over the cargo ship? And is there a slight movement allowed?

- does it matter where you hover above the ship? Above the cargo? front, rear of the ship?

- what's the maximum/minimum altitude to trigger the event?

- is the bearing or relevance?

 

 

I only once got the message "go, go, go - keep it steady" or something like this. But I probably wasn't calm enough. I did several attempts to get above the ship again and I also hovered above it, but maybe I still was not calm enough.

 

 

After approx. 30 minutes of hovering attempts (was already slightly bugged because I had to restart the mission for the 4th time after being shot down), I simply lost patience and concentration and I crashed into the sea.

 

 

Oh well, it's probably better luck another day...

 

Since you are getting these messages it seems that you are doing fine. You have to keep it steady a little longer. I know it's difficult in these weather conditions.

Try to trim you helicopter first and you will have no problem.

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I only got the message once and not anymore....so obviously I did't do that well. I'm using trimming, but I anyway have problems to stay above the target.

In the briefing, the wind is mentioned 160°. So it's best to have a heading of 340°? I tried different approaches, but hovering at bad weather is probably a bit above my current skills.

I only got the message once and not anymore....so obviously I did't do that well. I'm using trimming, but I anyway have problems to stay above the target.

 

 

In the briefing, the wind is mentioned 160°. So it's best to have a heading of 340°? I tried different approaches, but hovering at bad weather is probably a bit above my current skills.

Hope this will help you .

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Yes, this is a helpful info. Thank you.

Thank you :-)

Finally managed the mission (almost lost the chopper when trying to land on the base again...). But IMO this mission was a bit too difficult. It might be "easy" for all the pro's out there, but there are also less skilled pilots around.

Finally managed the mission (almost lost the chopper when trying to land on the base again...). But IMO this mission was a bit too difficult. It might be "easy" for all the pro's out there, but there are also less skilled pilots around.

You should be proud and consider yourself a pro now !!

Well done!!!! I hope that your hard work during this mission paid you off!

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Thanks, but I should have saved the replay...you wouldn't call me pro anymore ;-) It took me around 45 minutes (with time compression), so you get an idea.

The reason why I think it was too difficult was because it was more than one difficult task:

But don't get me wrong, overall I still think the campaign is great and well done. And I know that it's not easy to find the "correct" difficulty because the skills are so different.

I agree that having to re-do the same thing over and over again gets tedious quickly. There should be a save feature in the sim. It's already on the wish list since long ago.

Anyhow, you have to agree that successfully completing a mission gets so much sweeter the more you worked for it! Congrats!

In a way, I'm glad there's no save feature. Otherwise I'd probably save all the time and I would have already finished the campaign. But I suppose sort of a checkpoint after 5 attempts could be nice.

Well, if you only play the mission and not the campaign, you could simply watch the replay right before you crashed and then you could chose "take control" to continue from that point. But this won't work in the campaign because it seems that you don't get the 100 points in the end. So even if you'd finish the mission, you'd have to redo it again.

Yeah, I agree...it sorts of separates the men from boys, haha ;-)

I think the same way.. I had no Problem flying mission 8, really ez flying just patience and focus, but this Mission 12 made me sick, i almost crashed into the ship several times cause of the weather, really hard imo..

Finally managed the mission (almost lost the chopper when trying to land on the base again...). But IMO this mission was a bit too difficult. It might be "easy" for all the pro's out there, but there are also less skilled pilots around.

Well, I just crashed into the ship because I couldn't see that rope trigger happening, and I was kind of losing patience. Anwyay, I guess I did the funnier part, I'll just skip.

Well, I just crashed into the ship because I couldn't see that rope trigger happening, and I was kind of losing patience. Anwyay, I guess I did the funnier part, I'll just skip.

Hello we will check Missions 12, and report back to you. If there is a bug with the mission we will fix it and it should be available in the next update.

Hovering the helicopter over the ship in this weather is difficult but it worth's the effort.

Hey petritis. As always, thanks for the support.

On my first try, I was hovering above the stern. After reading Sharkku's message, I decided to give it a second try, by hovering above the middle part of the ship, right in front of the navigation bridge. This time, I got the first message very quickly, then 5-10 seconds later, the crew was onboard the ship. I was then able to accomplish the mission. :)

I'm not sure the dialogs mention a specific part of the ship to hover above.

Also having trouble here. One helicopter vs four gun boats - they always shoot me down. If I get my co-pilot to do the shooting, he hits the cargo boat most of the time instead of the gun boats. And as soon as I get pointed at the gun boats, they blast me out of the sky in short order. Any tips?

Two issues here :

Avoid being hit

To avoid facing all four gun boats at the same time, I've placed my helicopter so only one or two of the gun boats were appearing (the other ones were masked by the cargo ship). You have to fly low to make it work. Last but not least, approach slowly and from a distance.

Hit your targets and don't hit the cargo ship

I shot the rounds myself, as the pilot, with a decent trimming, and from a long distance. The cargo ship was not located behind my targets, but on the left or the right. This way, I barely hit the cargo ship.

One last thing: be patient. Take them out one by one, and if you know you're too close, make a half-turn and redo your approach.

Are there any missions where I can practice this? I'm spending 15 or 20 minutes in the mission to get to the action point just to get shot down immediately upon gun boat spawning.

Granted, I know my formation flying needs work, but still. If I should create my own mission in the editor, which I've never done, what is the boat asset called?

Edit - holy carp. Just tried again for the fifth time and was able to damage one of the boats 3% before they destroyed me. I have no idea how anybody is able to survive them.

Are there any missions where I can practice this? I'm spending 15 or 20 minutes in the mission to get to the action point just to get shot down immediately upon gun boat spawning.

 

Granted, I know my formation flying needs work, but still. If I should create my own mission in the editor, which I've never done, what is the boat asset called?

 

Edit - holy carp. Just tried again for the fifth time and was able to damage one of the boats 3% before they destroyed me. I have no idea how anybody is able to survive them.

Hey unlikely_spider, there are many ways on how to destroy the speedboats, i know that it is a pain since they are really small. I will tell a few ways that might help you.

I hope these methods will help you.

In the mission editor you can find them as armed speedboats. On mission editor click the ship icon, change the country into "insurgents" and change the type to armed speedboats.

Here is a video from Grim Reapers on how to add ships in DCS Mission Editor.

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Ok, thanks much.

Edit - after practicing boat killing in a mission that I made for myself, I was able to complete the mission (in a heavily damaged helicopter). I decided to engage straight/level autopilot, then use the flex guns in the left seat. Then take control after passing them, taking evasive maneuvers for a bit, then turn around and repeat.

Btw, this campaign is difficult but fun and varied. I've improved my skills a lot in its course. (I did skip the two nighttime missions where you aren't allowed NVGs after I died in both. I completed the later nighttime one where you are allowed goggles the first time.)

I have to say, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed by the uncanny accuracy of a .50cal bobbing around in a small boat in rough seas. I'm becoming an expert in forming up with my partner and time compressing to the target zone, but I'm having very little success here. Best I've ever done is 30% damage on a speedboat.

I've tried swerving attacks, diving attacks, pop-up attacks, hovering behind the ship and sideslipping to get an unmask. If I let the AI gunner do it, my gunner can't hit anything even if I try flying straight/level (with obvious results from the .50cal), or for whatever reason he decides to stop shooting when the enemy are in the open.

I'm open to some significant suggestions here. So far, my best bet seems to be flying around at a distance and waiting for the boats to run out of ammo.

I flew very low so the cargo ship would mask me. I hovered, sideslipped very slowly until I saw one ship at such a distance that it couldn't engage me, and I shot it myself from the pilot POV. Lots of rounds fired to get it, but it worked. I then proceeded to the next target.

Of course, you need trim a lot.

I have to say, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed by the uncanny accuracy of a .50cal bobbing around in a small boat in rough seas. I'm becoming an expert in forming up with my partner and time compressing to the target zone, but I'm having very little success here. Best I've ever done is 30% damage on a speedboat.

 

I've tried swerving attacks, diving attacks, pop-up attacks, hovering behind the ship and sideslipping to get an unmask. If I let the AI gunner do it, my gunner can't hit anything even if I try flying straight/level (with obvious results from the .50cal), or for whatever reason he decides to stop shooting when the enemy are in the open.

 

I'm open to some significant suggestions here. So far, my best bet seems to be flying around at a distance and waiting for the boats to run out of ammo.

Most DLC campaigns where made for the 1.x.y branch, and got broken one way or the other when going 2.x.y.

The gunns on the Huey are highly inefficient since a couple of updates ago.

I'm having trouble with this stage myself. I've tried it firing as pilot and letting the AI take the flex-mount. Checking in Tacview we seem to be landing plenty of hits but we're not sinking anything. I'll give it another go but I feel that the guns really aren't up to the task since they were updated.

Update.

I've done a few tests. Not very scientific, just me and a speedboat in a quick mission. I am not the best shot but it takes me about 20% of my ammo to sink a boat. The AI with flex managed a best of two boats for 30% of the ammo, typicaly 20%+ per boat and on one occasion 42% of ammo for a single target.

In Tacview hits are recorded as a number and it seems to vary from over 200 to over 600. Not sure if that is meant to represent individual bullets but 600+ mini gun rounds into a boat sounds like a lot.