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Old 08-30-2019, 03:32 AM   #1
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Just watching the cockpit famil video - didn’t realise the F16 was a side stick confit as opposed to centre ... would be interested to hear what the design/ergonomic/hmi benefits of the different configurations are - why is the f18 centre and f16 side? Anybody flown actual aircraft have thoughts on the +/- of them.

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Old 08-30-2019, 06:08 AM   #2
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Just watching the cockpit famil video - didn’t realise the F16 was a side stick confit as opposed to centre ... would be interested to hear what the design/ergonomic/hmi benefits of the different configurations are - why is the f18 centre and f16 side? Anybody flown actual aircraft have thoughts on the +/- of them.

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Because it is a relatively small cockpit, but primarily due to the lack of movement from the stick - being a pressure command stick rather than input command stick.

The F-35A/B are also a side stick, FYI.

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Old 08-30-2019, 10:02 AM   #3
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If I recall, the F-16 is a pressure/input hybrid stick because the first F-16 flyers apparently freaked out when they are getting no physical input from the stick.

And also, isn't the side stick configuration provide less of a left turn bias compared to a center stick where it is easier to pull left than right with a center stick.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:05 AM   #4
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If I recall, the F-16 is a pressure/input hybrid stick because the first F-16 flyers apparently freaked out when they are getting no physical input from the stick.

And also, isn't the side stick configuration provide less of a left turn bias compared to a center stick where it is easier to pull left than right with a center stick.
The actual "control" is handled just by pressure sensors.
The stick moves very slightly just to give some kind of feedback to the pilots but has no mechanical connection to the FCS / control surfaces as far as i know
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:10 AM   #5
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Would love someone like Thrustmaster to make a pressure stick like that. Would be alot of R&D for a limited market though.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:23 AM   #6
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It's not really a pressure stick. It still moves but just not as a much as a standard stick. Rafale and F-35 for example have the same. Some pilots told me that stick location didn't matter to them. My personal view on this is that side stick is better, not only does it allow for a more neutral body position which helps comfort, but also I find you can make more clean and precise stick movement with it.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:33 AM   #7
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Would love someone like Thrustmaster to make a pressure stick like that. Would be alot of R&D for a limited market though.
Real Simulator has been making force sensor replacements for the TM Cougar for quite a few years now and also replacement force sensors and F-16 joystick handles for the Warthog.

http://realsimulator.com/
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Real Simulator has been making force sensor replacements for the TM Cougar for quite a few years now and also replacement force sensors and F-16 joystick handles for the Warthog.

http://realsimulator.com/
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It's not really a pressure stick. It still moves but just not as a much as a standard stick. Rafale and F-35 for example have the same. Some pilots told me that stick location didn't matter to them. My personal view on this is that side stick is better, not only does it allow for a more neutral body position which helps comfort, but also I find you can make more clean and precise stick movement with it.
I don’t know where you get this info. But it’s incorrect. The F-16 stick input are based around force not stick movement. The stick does move a small amount, but that is more of a byproduct of the force being applied then anything else.
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It's not really a pressure stick. It still moves but just not as a much as a standard stick.
The Viper's stick moves because they've added a little amount of movement into it. In the early days it didn't move at all, which pilots found to be both weird and also that it made it far too easy to input unwanted commands.

And the stick-movement has absolutely NOTHING to do with flightcontrol-input. Pressure-sensing rather than translating stick-movement into flightcontrol-actuation.
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