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Old 04-27-2019, 01:07 PM   #21
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Ill bet putting that HARM missile in game woke everyone up. With the F-16 coming out we will have multiple aircraft with SEAD capability.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:09 PM   #22
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Scared yes :-)
Also wondering about how you take on the proposed integrated air defence system when one of the components is a Mach 4 300 kilometre range missile. It seems a bit daunting with the range and hit probability of the current AGM-88?
Use something other than an AGM-88. These are big and not exactly particularly mobile targets (thinking JSOW or SLAM-ER).
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:29 PM   #23
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Fantastic news. I really hope we get some high altitude AAA/flak soon as that is a pretty important part of a SAM network.
No, it's not... SAMs replaced flak. Flak is 1930s/40s, and to a limited extent 1950s. There is no ''high altitude AAA'' for about 70 years now. I don't think the US even HAS AAA anymore, except for CIWS onboard ships for missile interception. What there is internationally, for the last few decades, is geared around extreme volumes of fire out to a few kilometers. There were a few outliers like 40mm Bofors or thosevSoviet 57sand such in the 1950s, but they were produced in only extremely limited quantities afaik and/or extremely ineffective. It's pretty much Shilka style equipment globally for decades now, sometimes with short range missiles mixed in ala Tunguska.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:37 PM   #24
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Confused why people aren't getting more excited about this, it's incredible news. That and the amazing SA-5 is really going to make interesting missions.
I went absolutely bananas
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KS-19, and Ks-30 has AAA release on 1950 and was operative as far as the Vietnam War and previous, Iran "build" a upgraded automatic version of KS-19 named Sa'ir. Other AAA systems was S-60 57mm and ZSU-57-2 on has been used on the Syria civil war and others wars previously.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a166753.pdf

That systems by soviet doctrine was used to cover airfields, depots, airfields and other fixed installations as point defense, with air defense regiments to cover under cold war (from old TRADOC 1994)
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:41 PM   #26
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i'm skeptical of when we're getting the SA-5 because it's been over 6mon and we still don't have the scud-b
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Scud B required first build the ballistic profile and INS guidance to a SRBM. A SAM has actually the functionality to work them.
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KS-19, and Ks-30 has AAA release on 1950 and was operative as far as the Vietnam War and previous, Iran "build" a upgraded automatic version of KS-19 named Sa'ir. Other AAA systems was S-60 57mm and ZSU-57-2 on has been used on the Syria civil war and others wars previously.

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That systems by soviet doctrine was used to cover airfields, depots, airfields and other fixed installations as point defense, with air defense regiments to cover under cold war (from old TRADOC 1994)
Yeah, I mentioned the 57s, but they also had a reputation for being near useless even when they were new. They were also not 'high altitude'. That 3rd world militaries continued to use them well after their 'past due date' is not terribly surprising, but they weren't an effective cornerstone of air defense, although I vaguely remember hearing they were sometimes used as direct fire weapons on the ground.
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Scared yes :-)
Also wondering about how you take on the proposed integrated air defence system when one of the components is a Mach 4 300 kilometre range missile. It seems a bit daunting with the range and hit probability of the current AGM-88?
You dont play aeroquake with it. You use SEAD flights, EW aircraft etc.
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:34 PM   #30
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You dont play aeroquake with it. You use SEAD flights, EW aircraft etc.
You automatically assume he is playing air quake. Right now we are very limited in our capacity to simulate EW and we completely lack any dedicated EW plataform. Hoping that is something they plan to adress in the future.
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