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Old 08-20-2019, 07:30 AM   #11
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CCIP means ? Common Configuration Implementation Program ?

And what does this do?

Just curious………..
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Time Compliance Technical Order (TCTO) 1F-16-2221 was the installation of the Common Configuration Implementation Program, AKA CCIP ( or modification ECP 3016). This incorporated the Modular Mission Computer (MMC), Color MFDS, Electronic Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI), Link 16 with TACAN, and Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (HMCS) to the USAF Block 40/42/50/52.
So after the CCIP, USAF block 50/52 could carry TGP and do strike mission and block 40/42 could do DEAD/SEAD mission.

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Does anyone know of any other differences between these two blocks?
Not much to add, but we would not get many advantages if they model the USAF block 40/42 after CCIP besides the Wide Angle Raster (WAR) HUD and different performance numbers.
The AN/AAQ-14 TGP and the AN/AAQ-13 FLIR/TFR have not been used for years on the
USAF F-16 block 40/42. Last time I saw a AAQ-13 being used was 2001 in Osan AB. Not sure if the addition of the HTS pod completely remove the connection to the AN/AAQ-13 on the left cheek station.
- The Engine is different
- Structurally, some block 40/42 had several hundred or thousands hours more that some block 50/52, so the structure was strengthen.
- The radar had some differences, but I do not have a lot of info on the specifics.
- Some of the symbols on the CMFD where different
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:07 AM   #12
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PACIFIC AIR FORCES Senior officers , back in 1993-1995 , prefered Block 40/42 F-16C/D for Korea and all of PACAF. Block 40/42 had wide angle HUD (shared with F-22) that was compatible with LANTIRN system from F-15E. It could project FLIR onto HUD. Ability that was lost with Block 50. So PACAF wanted USAF squadrons in Korea and slated for Korea deployment in case of conflict, and ROKAF to be all Block 40/42.
Well, you're partly right. Actually ROKAF doesn't have any Block 40/42s in it's inventory and it never has. It only has Block 32 and Block 52s. The Block 52s were however ordered with the 'WAR' HUD and the LANTIRN system. The ability to project FLIR on the HUD was never lost in the Block 50/52, the US just decided to have the narrow angle HUD and to stop using LANTIRN on their own Block 50/52. Export customers could still order whatever they wanted.
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so post CCIP upgrades what is the advantage or point of of having a USAF block 40 with its weaker engine if a USAF/ANG F16CM block 50 is already in development? clearly WAR HUD was only really advantageous for low altitude nap of the earth flying with old LANTIRN?
Yes, and who doesn't want that? It's got FLIR rather than Night Vision thats displayed on the HUD and it has terrain following radar which allows you to fly at low altitudes at both day and night without risking your life every single second.
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Not much to add, but we would not get many advantages if they model the USAF block 40/42 after CCIP besides the Wide Angle Raster (WAR) HUD and different performance numbers.
The AN/AAQ-14 TGP and the AN/AAQ-13 FLIR/TFR have not been used for years on the
USAF F-16 block 40/42. Last time I saw a AAQ-13 being used was 2001 in Osan AB. Not sure if the addition of the HTS pod completely remove the connection to the AN/AAQ-13 on the left cheek station.
- The Engine is different
- Structurally, some block 40/42 had several hundred or thousands hours more that some block 50/52, so the structure was strengthen.
- The radar had some differences, but I do not have a lot of info on the specifics.
- Some of the symbols on the CMFD where different
Gotcha! Thanks for the info.
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:17 PM   #13
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I'm just hoping for an updated AI F-16C model to cover the other blocks. Although, I do think flyable versions of the F-16 should be released as 50/52 covering both engine variants but that is just my opinion.
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Old 08-23-2019, 02:35 PM   #14
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Try these two links

https://www.usaf-sig.org/index.php/r...VLGCxxb8iHybMc

https://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraf...versions.shtml
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I thought the BLK-40 can't use the HTS? Block 50/52s more dedicated CJ role?
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:47 AM   #16
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I thought the BLK-40 can't use the HTS? Block 50/52s more dedicated CJ role?
Before CCIP you would be correct. After CCIP they closed the gap differences in the blocks.

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