Domcho Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 But I've never seen an official statement where Wags or Chizh said they can't make a DCS standard Russian aircraft because of military secrecy. I thought they decided to go for the Hornet first because it's a Western aircraft and would presumably sell a lot more than an Su-27SM? I did see a post where Wags said it was decided to not develop the Su-27SM in favor of the current Su-27S but he did not say why. My guess on that topic was because they already made the Su-27S and it's cockpit, thus developing the SM variant would make the already existing S variant obsolete. Who would fly a non ASM aircraft over an ASM, R-77 capable one? Just like picking MiG-29S over MiG-29A/G, but in this case with ASM as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't think there has ever been an official post or announcement on the subject, but legality is the most logical explanation. I agree that if we had an Su-27SM then the Su-27S would be entirely redundant, but I think it would be worth keeping the baseline Su-27S as an FC3-level aircraft with the more capable Su-27SM as a DCS level module. Another potential part of the problem is that if ED created a DCS-level Su-27SM then they would pretty much be forced to also make a DCS level F-15C, otherwise there would be a huge forum riot. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drona Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Another potential part of the problem is that if ED created a DCS-level Su-27SM then they would pretty much be forced to also make a DCS level F-15C, otherwise there would be a huge forum riot. Why??? They are already getting the F-14A&B, F-18C, and Typhoon. Not enough for them??? :megalol: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 What do you mean them? Don't you mean us? :) Seriously, when looking at most of the forum posts on these forums it's like everyone is split into two camps. I guess those of us who like our cake and want to eat it too are in the minority here. Is it really such a crime to enjoy both NATO and Soviet fighter jets? I do agree that once the Tomcat and Hornet are released there will be a problem with parity on the multiplayer side of things, with no real Soviet/Russian Gen4+ plane in the pipeline. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drona Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Comrade, in Mother Russia, we fight and fly for the Motherland and the motherland alone. We no fly NATO aircraft. Such traitors will be either shot or sent to Gulag ;) :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Alot of the fun, excitement, and rivalry derives from the East vs West scenario. F14 vs F18 is a bit like a friendly between the U21 and the U18 squads of the same team. Su27SM vs F15C is much more like El Clasico. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domcho Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 With Hornet, Tomcat, Harrier and Typhoon coming up, it is only fair that we get a 4th gen Russian fighter made after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If we ever get a full-fidelity Su-27SM, I doubt I will ever want to fly anything else ;-) Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I suppose we've drifted a bit off topic, but in the interests of parity (not balance) these are what I'd love to have in DCS: 1) DCS: Su-27SM. 2) DCS: F-15C. 3) DCS: Su-24M2. 4) DCS: F-15E. 5) DCS: Tornado GR4. 6) DCS: EF Typhoon. Would give both US, EU & Russian aficionados good choices in terms of fighters, multi-role aircraft and tactical bombers. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 And the Mig-29SMT " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) We all thought that Data-link for Su-27 would be developed for SP and Client to client when Chiz announced it in a interview. I wish ED best luck in all projects so we can get to Su-27S/SM development as fast as possible. So far Im finding Su-27s air-dynamic in DCS by far the most enjoyable, would be a shame if we did not get Su-27 in full fidelity:( Edited June 27, 2017 by Teknetinium 1 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axion Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 We all thought that Data-link for Su-27 would be developed for SP and Client to client when Chiz announced it in a interview. I wish ED best luck in all projects so we can get to Su-27S/SM development as fast as possible. So far Im finding Su-27s air-dynamic in DCS by far the most enjoyable, would be a shame if we did not get Su-27 in full fidelity:( Hear, hear, Tek! Asus Z390 Code XI, i9-9900K, RAM 32 Gig Corsair Vengeance @ 3200, RTX 2080 TI FE, TIR 5, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB, HOTAS WH, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, HTC Vive Pro, Win 10 x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 And the Mig-29SMT We have gone way offtopic. But a full fidelity Fulcrum (any type) would be awesome. An advanced version like the SMT would be even better. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Eurofighter Typhoon project was iced... Likely to be cancelled if they don't get license renewed.... https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3177944&postcount=24 Yes we have Su-27S in the FC3 fidelity with a PFM. Do we deserve to get a Su-27SM in the cockpit simulation? Yes, please... Pretty please! What comes to F-15C etc... It is a another forum thing then, this is Su-27S forum ;) And they do have coming the best of the best, a F-14A+/B and F/A-18C. But so do we are getting a Su-17M4-K and Mig-23 etc.... But Su-27S datalink... Needs to be fixed. It is annoying when a this kind small things takes longest time to wait, while the larger updates comes sooner like new graphics engine etc. Edited June 28, 2017 by Fri13 Added URL to the developer project information regarding EFT i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domcho Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 But so do we are getting a Su-17M4-K and Mig-23 etc.... Hahaaa... *sobs into pillow*. We wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJayD Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Datalink still doesn't work in MP +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor114 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Datalink still doesn't work in MP +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor114 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Su27 and Su33 datalink still doesn't work in MP Has posted by Frostie in 2015 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=148576 and Flymaker https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=187698 We are on final stretch of 2018 and datalink still doesn't work in MP, having another client as my wing dont link the 2 ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunMcKill Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 This is old, I dont think it will be repaired for FC, maybe if a complete clickeable version of SU-27/33 is released, and IMO, wait for that is wasted time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 My favourite feature from the Su-27. Is hard to admit this possibly will not be introduced never ever. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyMaker Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I tried many times speak with devs but no one care I dont know why this are this hard to do System Specs: Windows 10 Pro x64, NVidia GeForce GTX 970 Gigabyte G1 Gaming 4GB, FX 8350 4.0 Ghz ( Cooled by Custom Cooler ), 8GB DDR3 1600 Mhz , ASUS M5A97 R2.0, x1 240gb ssd (Windows) x1 120gb ssd (DCS World) x1 500gb hd, Thustmaster T Flight X, CH Pro Throttle and CH Pro Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyMaker Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Wags please bring a light to our poor souls We hope for a answer =\ System Specs: Windows 10 Pro x64, NVidia GeForce GTX 970 Gigabyte G1 Gaming 4GB, FX 8350 4.0 Ghz ( Cooled by Custom Cooler ), 8GB DDR3 1600 Mhz , ASUS M5A97 R2.0, x1 240gb ssd (Windows) x1 120gb ssd (DCS World) x1 500gb hd, Thustmaster T Flight X, CH Pro Throttle and CH Pro Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 We’ll have leverage when Hornet datalink is out:) Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 After Hornet DL is done I think we’ll finally convince them to change it Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarosa Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 +1 no love for fc3 planes :( Real War, Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCs1uki5QsyuHUdvtmWJTOg?view_as=subscriber Real War, Voice Chat: https://discord.gg/UGa3KMe [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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