Perfect stick for A-10C from Thrustmaster?

No much info, but look at the ad on the main site:

http://www.thrustmaster.com/

No much info, but look at the ad on the main site:

 

http://www.thrustmaster.com/

Guaranteed sale right here :D

Wish there were some pics of it but I believe stick remains the same but the throttle's gonna split which makes me a buyer ASAP!

cool.

was there no warning in advance of this ?

was waiting for the G940 and the new Saitek... now another stick in the mix ?

Hmmm... I suppose it's too much to hope that it would be an FFB (done right) stick.

Still, with the MFD (button rings) and this, it looks like TM is serious about competing. Always a good thing! :thumbup:

This is almost too good to be true. Guys, we have an all out sim-rebirth!

DCS series was tugging along and is looking to be better by the day, and now three nice fellows join in. amagad.

Wow, this sounds very promising! :thumbup:

Thanks for sharing!

Hmm, hope they made the right warthog stick though, as in the A10-C f-16 stick and not the old a10-A one...

Hmm...wonder if a partial upgrade for existing Cougar owners will be possible...

Perhaps a HS inside...

Wow.. I'll postpone my G940 purchase, and maybe maybe there won't be a G940 for me.. :)

Hmmm... I suppose it's too much to hope that it would be an FFB (done right) stick.

 

Still, with the MFD (button rings) and this, it looks like TM is serious about competing. Always a good thing! :thumbup:

A-10 doesnt use FFB does it? I thought it was a more conventional stick.

A-10 doesnt use FFB does it? I thought it was a more conventional stick.

Who knows? :dunno:

A-10 doesnt use FFB does it? I thought it was a more conventional stick.

A clarification may be in order. I was talking about Force Feedback (ala Logitech G940 / MS Sidewinder FFB2 / Saitek Evo Force) as opposed to Force Sensing (ala Saitek's upcoming X65F / FSSB modded TM Cougar).

I wouldn't expect a real A-10 to use FFB in its stick, as FFB is something used in game/sim controllers. For DCS:BS, FFB is useful for holding the trimmed position of the cyclic (and could be used on rudder pedals, too). I don't know enough about how the A-10C's trim works. If it is similar to the Black Shark's trim, then a properly implemented FFB would be nice to have in Thrustmaster's upcoming controller. I'm not going to be holding my breath over it. ( Though I imagine some folks wish I would! ;) ).

As far as I know, the real A-10C's stick is not Force Sensing either. It is a center mounted stick. AFAIK, the Force Sensing (tensiometric) is only used on side mounted sticks (F-16 / F-22 / F-35).

FFB in a matter of sense is also used in real aircraft. With fly-by-wire systems and other means of computerized controls, it's vital to give pilots some feeling back, what they are currently doing. I don't know if the A-10 uses this, but other planes do.

ahh yeah get those 2 terms mixed up a lot. I really doubt TMs new stick will have FFB. But I was wondering if the real plane had FSSB. I didnt think so but I was trying to decide whether to mod my stick with FSSB or hall sensors. Either way with the new news of A-10 stick I might just install industrial grade pots into my current stick since it would be far cheaper than modding it. If A-10 does use FSSB I will get that mod but from pictures it doesnt appear that it uses that.

FFB in a matter of sense is also used in real aircraft. With fly-by-wire systems and other means of computerized controls, it's vital to give pilots some feeling back, what they are currently doing. I don't know if the A-10 uses this, but other planes do.

You have any examples of this? It's not something I've ever come across, and I really can't workout what it possible use could be, what on earth do you mean my feedback?

Like most other (western at least) aircraft based on what I've read in the flight manual there is no physical link between the stick and controls in the A-10C. While it does have mechanical controls as opposed to the FBW systems in more modern jets, it's all hydrualic actuators that provide no direct feedback to the pilot. I have no direct experiance with the A-10, but I can't see it being any different to the a/c I have worked with.

As far as I know, the real A-10C's stick is not Force Sensing either. It is a center mounted stick. AFAIK, the Force Sensing (tensiometric) is only used on side mounted sticks (F-16 / F-22 / F-35).

It's a mechanical system, only FBW a/c have force sensing controls due to the nature of how it works. Not just side mounted sticks though, the Typhoon has a centrally mounted stick and uses a force sensor system much like the F-16. It does have some movement (as do most) but only a very tiny amount.

It's a mechanical system, only FBW a/c have force sensing controls due to the nature of how it works. Not just side mounted sticks though, the Typhoon has a centrally mounted stick and uses a force sensor system much like the F-16. It does have some movement (as do most) but only a very tiny amount.

Ah, good to know! Thanks!

FFB?

Can imagine the Lawsuites when one Funny Bugger cranks the settings and tweaks the motors, not knowing what $hitestorm awaits him when he pulls the Trigger on that GAU -8/A..........:music_whistling:

If the Real thing halts the momentum of the Hawg on the way down, imagine what it will do to a Limp-Wristed Wannabee Aviator just new to the SIM :pain:

'Yeah Yeah I know the above is written with a Lot of Artistic Licence, but the mere thought is as Funny as F*#k' :megalol:

You have any examples of this? It's not something I've ever come across, and I really can't workout what it possible use could be, what on earth do you mean my feedback?

 

Like most other (western at least) aircraft based on what I've read in the flight manual there is no physical link between the stick and controls in the A-10C. While it does have mechanical controls as opposed to the FBW systems in more modern jets, it's all hydrualic actuators that provide no direct feedback to the pilot. I have no direct experiance with the A-10, but I can't see it being any different to the a/c I have worked with.

From wikipedia:

With hydromechanical flight control systems however, the load on the surfaces cannot be felt and there is a risk of overstressing the aircraft through excessive control surface movement. To overcome this problem artificial feel systems are used; for example: with the controls of the Avro Vulcan jet bomber, the requisite force feedback was achieved by a spring device. The fulcrum of the device was moved in proportion to the square of the airspeed (for the elevators) to give increased resistance at higher speeds. In the controls of the Vought Crusader and Corsair II, a "bob-weight" was used in the pitch axis of the control stick, giving a force feedback proportional to the aircraft's normal acceleration.

SNIP

Ahhh, you're talking increased resistance, I know what you mean now. Thought you were on about stuff like the control vibration they have on civi jets for anti-stall etc.

From wikipedia:

;)

Was just about to post the same.

A similar system is used for many civil airliners.

@ Eddie:

The other features of FFB like gunshake, stall and compression are probably not needed to be "simulated" in a real aicraft ;)

You got the original manual of the A-10C? Do you have a link for D/L? :)

@ Eddie:

 

The other features of FFB like gunshake, stall and compression are probably not needed to be "simulated" in a real aicraft ;)

You'd be suprised ;).

TBH, not being remotely interested in prop sims, FFB has never even slightly appealed to me and I have to confess I don't really know how it works in sims. Not something I'd ever touch either, I'll stick to Force Sensors and/or Hall sensors ta.

You got the original manual of the A-10C? Do you have a link for D/L? :)

Nope, just the A-10A, ignoring the AV upgrades pretty much everything releating to mechanical systems still applies (with a couple of exceptions/modded systems) as I have no doubt you are aware.

I do have a few other more modern flight manuals for other a/c, but they're not for public distribution I'm afraid. Maybe in a few years time.

Not something I'd ever touch either, I'll stick to Force Sensors and/or Hall sensors ta.

A stick can use hall sensors and still have FFB.;)

A stick can use hall sensors and still have FFB.;)

Indeed it can, but the inclusion of FFB means I wouldn't touch it with someone else's barge pole.