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Old 09-13-2018, 09:09 PM   #31
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Documentation is rather no problem: few months ago somebody sold on ebay for 700 euro whole technical description of MiG-25PD. Problem is different: we have small maps, no place for long range intercept flights with high supersonic speeds, MiG-25 was only small piece of big interception system "Vozdukh", "Vozdukh-1", "BAN-1" ( last one probably still in use ). Without those complicated command systems aircraft is just toy. Here can be serious problem with secrecy, documents etc. Even if, ED is able find somewhere those papers still exist problem with systems complexivity and apropriate implementation in game.

In Russian service yeah, but for example Iraq used it in the air superiority role so it wouldn't really be limited to a high altitude point defense interceptor.
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Old 09-13-2018, 10:22 PM   #32
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They used what they had.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:43 AM   #33
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Without those complicated command systems aircraft is just toy
I kept my child soul and I like to play with toys
But we are spoiling the thread (MiG-19)
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:55 AM   #34
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Post Module MiG-25 clickable

The MiG-25 has nothing secret for a long time, after I bead at the general level !
If an army wants to have it in classified sercert defense, it can.
Me if I want I can classified secret defense chocolate boxes too ;-p


Take a look at the documentary and the story of the MiG-25, to see that this plane is out of service because it is obsolete, and its mission was taken over by the MiG-31 in Russia. We are in 2018, not in 1980


I think that the realization of the module MiG-25 clickable would be a very good choice for everyone ..
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:43 AM   #35
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Modern or obsolete have nothing to do with documentation access. Sometimes even stuff from 60/70 is still confidential/secret. MiG-25 was built as part of big and complicated system, and module without this is like half product. Of course DCS MiG-25 is a big dream but realistically very unlikely.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:00 PM   #36
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Question: Since I’m not that knowledgeable about the Mig-19. I’m just curious about the maneuverability of the aircraft compared to aircraft we have around that era (F5, Mig21, etc) Does it have the thrust advantage to the F-5 like the 21? The 19 is looking fantastic! Definitely a buy!


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Old 09-14-2018, 02:33 PM   #37
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Question: Since I’m not that knowledgeable about the Mig-19. I’m just curious about the maneuverability of the aircraft compared to aircraft we have around that era (F5, Mig21, etc) Does it have the thrust advantage to the F-5 like the 21? The 19 is looking fantastic! Definitely a buy!


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The MiG-19 is much better than the MiG-21 and the F-5 in turn fights.
The MiG-19 can handle itself at low speeds better than the MiG-21 and the F-5.
The MiG-19's max. speed is somewheres around 1450 kph. The F-5's ca. 1700 kph. The MiG-21's ca. 2200 kph.
The MiG-19 is lighter than the F-5 by 2-3 tons and each of its engines has a higher thrust ratio (with afterburner) by 8-10 kN.
So I would say, the F-5 is gonna have nightmares.

This is based on the information we have in the manuals, wikipedia, some websites in different laguages I always refer to and some pdf documentation I had collected in the past and still do.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:33 PM   #38
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The MiG-19 is much better than the MiG-21 and the F-5 in turn fights.
The MiG-19 can handle itself at low speeds better than the MiG-21 and the F-5.
The MiG-19 is lighter than the F-5 by 2-3 tons and each of its engines has a higher thrust ratio (with afterburner) by 8-10 kN.
So I would say, the F-5 is gonna have nightmares.
Wrong. F-5E empty weight is nearly 1.5 tonnes less. It has bigger MTOW only because it can handle more air-to-ground payload. In AA loadout it is lighter then 19P.
Also F-5E is much more maneuverable then 19/21/23 due to its advanced wing mechanisation and stability control systems. MiG-19 has a high swept wing, wich has lower lift at low speeds.
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Old 09-14-2018, 04:02 PM   #39
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Mig-19 will have a lower wing loading though, and better thrust to weight. I wouldn't dare to get slow and low with it in the F-5.
But we will see... I'll be in the Mig-19 anyway
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:02 PM   #40
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Well the 17´s gave the Phantoms, Tigers and even Scooters a run for their money so I am guessing that the 19 is going to be a handfull to fight , it being able to hang on in the vertical too
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