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Old 08-20-2018, 01:22 AM   #21
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Here're some ship SAM range testing missions; I used the American FFG-7CL Oliver Hazzard Perry and the CG-60 Normandy (Ticonderoga, I think), as well as the Russian CG 1164 Moskva (Moscow, I think), and the CGN 1144.2 Pyotr Velikiy.

I noticed that the FFG-7CL and the CG-60 fired their SM-2 missiles at ~60km, the Moskva fired its 5V55 missiles at ~50km, and the Pyotr fired its 48H6E2 missiles at ~70-80km, which is the farthest I've ever seen a SAM go.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:07 PM   #22
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FlankerMan,

FWIW, the longest range launch I've seen so far with the SA-10 is about 76km. Aircraft in question was high (10K m) and fairly fast. Target altitude has a lot to do with the range.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:58 PM   #23
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Okay. I'm about to test the 48H6E2 missile again, I saw it launch from ~77km. By the way, did your missiles hit?
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Okay. I'm about to test the 48H6E2 missile again, I saw it launch from ~77km. By the way, did your missiles hit?
Yes. They hit.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:43 PM   #25
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Okay, nice! I did some more testing with the SAMs on ships, I can post the missions if anyone wants them. I have a couple of questions, though

1-Why does the LHA-1 Tarawa have such a large static ideal engagement range circle, even though its only missiles are the RIM-7 (Sea Sparrow)?

2-Why do certain missiles (AGM-84A Harpoon; AGM-119A Penguin; Kh-31A "Krypton"; 48H6E2/SA-N-6 "Grumble") sound like they're still burning, even after the fire (visible exhaust) has disappeared?

By the way, so far with the Oliver H Perry and Ticonderoga, I've seen the SM-2 launch from ~65km from the target, though the farthest away from the target of those that hit that I've seen were launched from just ~60km.
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:03 AM   #26
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Here are the missions, plus a couple of others. I'm about to do another test on the 48H6E2's range.
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File Type: miz Russia Ship Test 2.miz (10.1 KB, 12 views)
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File Type: miz USA Ship Test 2.miz (9.8 KB, 12 views)
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:23 AM   #27
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Okay, I did another test with the Russian ship. The scenario was 4 F-16Cs doing anti-ship strike, each with 2 AGM-88C HARMs and 2 AGM-154C JSOWs, and at ~8,500-9,000m MSL and ~500-600km/h IAS against 4 CGN 1144.2 Pyotr Velikiys. Here's what I found out:

1-The Pyotr has the 48H6E2 S-300F SA-N-6 "Grumble" AND the 5V55 S-300PS SA-10B "Grumble" missiles.

2-The 48H6E2 can fire at targets that are up to ~90-95km away!!

3-The 48H6E2 (and maybe also 5V55) is quite capable of engaging ARMs and cruise missiles, though the AGM-154s didn't have time to get all the way to their normal super-low altitude. It did prove effective against AGM-84A Harpoons that were all the way down in another mission, though.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:58 PM   #28
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2-Why do certain missiles (AGM-84A Harpoon; AGM-119A Penguin; Kh-31A "Krypton"; 48H6E2/SA-N-6 "Grumble") sound like they're still burning, even after the fire (visible exhaust) has disappeared?
Harpoon has turbojet propulsion and Krypton has ramjet has cruise engine.
Ramjet need a booster to reach optimal speed.
Ship launched Harpoon need a booster too to quickly reach lift speed at the exit of the tube, the turbojet sustain the speed.
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