peter Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just recently having replaced my warthog throttle I am remapping all my axis commands. Have they removed the Mustang Prop Rpm Lever command? What changed? I dont see it in the controls menus. Also I have recently returned to DCS after a brief hiatus so bear with me please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdaw Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Look under axis commands. its called Engine rpm setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 With the prop lever you are changing the prop pitch, and this in turn changes engine RPM. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Fenrir Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 With the prop lever you are changing the prop pitch, and this in turn changes engine RPM. No you aren't. You are asking the Propeller Constant Speed Unit to try to maintain a certain RPM setting; the unit then adjusts the blade angle to try to match that setting whatever the variations in power, airspeed and altitude. Semantics, maybe, but it's an important distinction that should be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) No you aren't. You are asking the Propeller Constant Speed Unit to try to maintain a certain RPM setting; the unit then adjusts the blade angle. Suggest to re-read my post since this is exactly what I wrote. By moving the prop lever, the constant speed unit changes the prop pitch/blade angle. It's not about what you are asking the CSU to do, it's about what's actually happening. This has nothing to do with semantics. Edited August 17, 2018 by bbrz i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Fenrir is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) I don't get it, but since both of you are talking about semantics it might be a language issue. If I'm e.g. pulling the prop lever back to achieve a lower engine RPM, the CSU actually increases the propeller blade angle to achieve this new target. Edited August 18, 2018 by bbrz i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zcrazyx Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I don't get it, but since both of you are talking about semantics it might be a language issue. If I'm e.g. pulling the prop lever back to achieve a lower engine RPM, the CSU actually increases the propeller blade angle to achieve this new target. "The throttle controls manifold pressure (MP) and (indirectly) pitch of the prop. Increasing throttle increases the manifold pressure (the pressure of the air/fuel mixture going to the engine) and the prop tries to turn faster. The prop controller then resists faster RPM by increasing the "bite" of the blades in the air. This increased pitch and angle of attack of the blades causes more thrust, but also causes more drag, resisting an increase in RPM. In a sense, throttle only increases the torque of the engine, and then the prop governor increases the pitch of the blades to produce more thrust and drag. This happens quickly and automatically, so no change in RPM is noticed. So, the throttle controls the MP/engine torque/prop pitch, and the prop lever regulates engine/prop RPM." Courtesy of: http://www.enstoneflyingclub.co.uk/files/an_introduction_to_complex_operation.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 1.The throttle controls manifold pressure (MP) and (indirectly) pitch of the prop. 2. the throttle controls the MP/engine torque/prop pitch... 3. ...and the prop lever regulates engine/prop RPM." It's not about what the CSU does or what happens when you increase/decrease throttle/MP. 1. That's exactly the point, indirectly. 2. See point 1. Throttle controls MP and indirectly prop pitch. 3. By moving the prop lever you are regulating the RPM indirectly (through the CSU) by directly changing the prop blade pitch. http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aircraft-systems/how-a-constant-speed-prop-works/ Edited August 18, 2018 by bbrz i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Nope, directly you are changing the spring tension on the balance of the dynamical system regulating RPM. The thing that causes the counterweights to remain in place is the RPM and only the RPM. By changing the balance of the centrifugal system the control variable is the RPM and only the RPM. With a new equilibrium in place the direct result is RPM will change. The fact that the pitch will change to achieve this new RPM equilibrium is incidental. It would work exactly the same if the feedback mechanism was something other than pitch change (e.g. if a valve opened that increased throttle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrz Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Thanx for not giving up in trying to explain it to me! I think I've got it now :) i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I'm always learning, or remembering stuff it's been a long time since I last reviewd… Thx for the various contributions, that schema posted by bbrz, and Frederf's post. Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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