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I think you should expand on this thought, because it doesn’t make sense at face value.

In several actual incidents the A-7 and the F-14 cooperated. In the Gulf of Sidria incident for instance SA-5s were fired at F-14s, A-7s in the area responded with HARMs. In a post Vietnam pre Hornet air wing it would be Tomcats clearing the sky’s, and A-7s plowing the road, with A-6s delivering the heavy payload. Again as seen in Libya. The A-7 also carried a ton for the early PGMs. So it’s really needed on the Forestalls deck. The A-7 and F-14 could really complement each other in DCS as in the real world. The A-6 would be nice to have as well, but not really Necessary. If for instance there was to be an opposed marine landing in say 1985ish, it would likely be the A-7s providing CAS, and performing SEAD operations. A-6s and A-7s would share the job of striking key logistic targets. And F-14s would establish air superiority, and escort. Since the A-7 can do every role the A-6 can, and was really good at CAS and SEAD I think it would add the most benefit complementing the F-14. Yes, you could use Hornets for all of that, but some of us like the old iron. Was that a proper clarification of my position?

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RAZBAM already did A-7... but for FSX while ago... that is why they have all the assets in place to do one for DCS... but they need to clear up the Que first

 

Doing a mod for for FSX and doing something right for DCS are 2 entirely different things. The level of systems modeling in FSX is nothing like DCS. Razbam had a harrier in FSX too.

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I actually did some digging on that because I was wondering why did these two coexist in the navy? Are they not redundant? What I came up with was the A-7 was intended for close air support and "see the target, kill the target". While the A-6 wasn't quite as good at that type of work it was much better at pinpoint all weather day or night strikes. So if its a target of opportunity you send and A-7 and if its preplanned you send the A-6. The F-18 was able to take over the A-7's role earlier than the A-6's and thats why the 6 stayed in service longer.

 

The A7 replaced the A4 for for more CAS/SEAD/Light strike type roles, while the A-6 was more of heavy deep strike bomber. Realistically they complemented each other back in the day.

 

I think the main reason that HB is doing the A6, is that it makes more sense for them to recycle alot of the F14 tech, i.e. jester, lantrin, etc. That they have for the F14. They could certainly do the A7 too and maybe they will, but the A6 better leverages the developed tech they have.

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The A7 replaced the A4 for for more CAS/SEAD/Light strike type roles, while the A-6 was more of heavy deep strike bomber. Realistically they complemented each other back in the day.

 

I think the main reason that HB is doing the A6, is that it makes more sense for them to recycle alot of the F14 tech, i.e. jester, lantrin, etc. That they have for the F14. They could certainly do the A7 too and maybe they will, but the A6 better leverages the developed tech they have.

A-3: Heavy Attack

A-6: Medium Attack

A-7: Light Attack

 

I remember when NAS Oceana was just Tomcats and Intruders. Guess I'm getting old lol.

 

Would love to see an A-7 in DCS. And it would be cool to fly it off of a Forrestal Class ship.

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Would love to see an A-7 in DCS. And it would be cool to fly it off of a Forrestal Class ship.

 

Yeah, honestly I'd rather Raz did an A-7 before the strike eagle. Simpler to do for them, and fits the currently evolving naval air theme better than the Eagle.

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Yeah, honestly I'd rather Raz did an A-7 before the strike eagle. Simpler to do for them, and fits the currently evolving naval air theme better than the Eagle.

 

+1, far more interesting in my opinion as well. Unfortunately they have promises to keep in that regard now.

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Yeah, honestly I'd rather Raz did an A-7 before the strike eagle. Simpler to do for them, and fits the currently evolving naval air theme better than the Eagle.

If we’re being honest I would rather Raz do the A-7, and Heat Blur do the strike Eagle. I mean either way we might see the latter this decade, and at least HB has the JESTER AI already implemented. But yes I think the A-7 would be a good move for Raz, right after the MiG-23. Fallowed maybe by a SU-17/22. Give that Cold War era red fore something to really move some mud with. God it would be cool, Cats, and MiGs fighting it out I the air, wile A-7s, Su-17s, and Mi-24s turn the battle field into a really good impression of the moon. Armor would melt, ships would sink, the earth would burn. Probably never gonna happen, sadly. But it would be fun to see that late Cold War go hot. More so because we would all get up and have dinner after. I don’t get it, that era has some of the coolest planes ever. What more you really have to fly them, and there declassified now. But all the dev teams seem hell bent to one up each other with that latest possible 4th gen wonder fighter. What’s the point? You sell one jet that can do everything, and that’s it. And I truly think those will see diminishing returns in the future. Why have both a strike Eagle, a F-16, and a F-18 that all carry basically the same weapons, and do basically the same things? But hi well that’s the direction it all went, and I’m just being a wish full old man.

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You're not wrong Flanker Killer... I too find the modern 4th gen jets very similar and so a bit boring. Even the JF17 is very similar despite being a "red/green/whatever" jet.

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If we’re being honest I would rather Raz do the A-7, and Heat Blur do the strike Eagle. I mean either way we might see the latter this decade, and at least HB has the JESTER AI already implemented. But yes I think the A-7 would be a good move for Raz, right after the MiG-23. Fallowed maybe by a SU-17/22. Give that Cold War era red fore something to really move some mud with. God it would be cool, Cats, and MiGs fighting it out I the air, wile A-7s, Su-17s, and Mi-24s turn the battle field into a really good impression of the moon. Armor would melt, ships would sink, the earth would burn. Probably never gonna happen, sadly. But it would be fun to see that late Cold War go hot. More so because we would all get up and have dinner after. I don’t get it, that era has some of the coolest planes ever. What more you really have to fly them, and there declassified now. But all the dev teams seem hell bent to one up each other with that latest possible 4th gen wonder fighter. What’s the point? You sell one jet that can do everything, and that’s it. And I truly think those will see diminishing returns in the future. Why have both a strike Eagle, a F-16, and a F-18 that all carry basically the same weapons, and do basically the same things? But hi well that’s the direction it all went, and I’m just being a wish full old man.

 

100% agree

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I think the main draw of the current 4th gen craze is the "do it all" jet for online aeroquake use. Once that thirst is slaked with the F16/18/17, I think people will be drawn to more specialty platforms. But thats just like my opinion man...

 

My general older plane wish list in order of preference is

 

F4E (cuz we already have migs for it to fight, and its old school multirole)

Mig23 (most modern mig we will likely get in the near term)

Su-17/25 (we need a decent red strike/cas platform)

F14A (cuz we will actually get it soon)

A7 (cuz this is its thread)

A6 (sooon)

A4 (yes I know, we have the mod)


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IMHO i think that would be very good having the A-7 as an AI ASAP as well as the others planned models and then move on to flyable modules. In fact, since just making a AI model would be faster, it would be very appreciated that when a dev intended to start a project they already include the model as an AI so the community could start testing them in the available scenarios.

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Even an SU-7 would be fun.

 

 

I'm all for older stuff.

I had to look that one up, but yes. I would fit really well with the MiG-19. And somebody needs to do the MiG-17. Again, there’s enough old iron to keep us emptying our wallets for decades. But we’re getting off topic. The A-7 is the focus here. And why it’s awesome, which it is, and needed in DCS.

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With a long service record we could use it from Vietnam era to Desert Storm.

 

Yeah, but this kind of statement is never true or accurate. A DS1 era A7 vs what the VN era A7 could do in terms of weapons and avionics are worlds apart. Its like pretending our mid 90's era F14 is the same thing as flew in 1974, its just not.

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True, but the same can be said for all modules. It’s unfortunate, but these things are on the cutting edge, and that edge moves. I think it’s easier to build the later models. then let server, and mission designers limit the weapons available for the period. It isn’t exact, but we’re not going to get fully modeled incremental block upgrades. And the A-7E/D saw a lot of history. A good example there. I would love to have them both, but if I had to pick it would be an E. It wouldn’t be totally accurate to “pretend” It’s an Air Force D, but close enough to get a decent feel. And something is better then nothing, which is what we have ATM.

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True, but the same can be said for all modules. It’s unfortunate, but these things are on the cutting edge, and that edge moves. I think it’s easier to build the later models. then let server, and mission designers limit the weapons available for the period. It isn’t exact, but we’re not going to get fully modeled incremental block upgrades. And the A-7E/D saw a lot of history. A good example there. I would love to have them both, but if I had to pick it would be an E. It wouldn’t be totally accurate to “pretend” It’s an Air Force D, but close enough to get a decent feel. And something is better then nothing, which is what we have ATM.

 

Actually IMO, the approach should be to model the most "common" model for a rough era. I get that you might not have cutting-est latest edgiest version. Or the one that flew the most or "roughly" had the most operators.

 

I think the issue with the A7 is that it was used by both AF/Navy and E/D were similar in ways and different in other ways. I'd love to see both in the game. The Phantom is a similar/worse story. Frankly given the focus on Naval Air that DCS is taking, and the "easier" fantasy/Real world mission building that it facilitates I'd generally speaking want the Navy version of most of the aircraft "first". I can always fly it off a runway and pretend I'm a zoomie, even if specific systems/avionics are wrong.

 

In terms of era I'd honestly take a median era of lets say 1980 +/- 5 years (covers most of the "late" CW) to focus modules on. Plane didn't have to be "new" then just "flying" Same think for 1970 +/- 5 years (which nicely covers VN/arab Israeli wars).


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I would vote A-7E and then limit then payload as best as possible to simulate a different variant. Have the airforce liveries too would be nice though.

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An A-7E would cover Vietnam all the way to Desert Storm! I'd be happy!

 

Only they should give us ALL the weapons possible, so that we can choose the era.

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An A-7E would cover Vietnam all the way to Desert Storm! I'd be happy!

 

Only they should give us ALL the weapons possible, so that we can choose the era.

 

You realize there is much more granular detail than "E" right?

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You realize there is much more granular detail than "E" right?

 

Is there though? There was the introduction of the AN/AAR-45 NAVFLIR pod in 1979 and HARM in 1985. Other than some software revisions, where there any major changes to the A-7E?

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