New build, how is AMD Ryzen CPUs for DCS and VR?

I am thinking of building a new PC and am cringing at the intel prices. I have not followed the PC industry in quite some time and wanted to hear your thoughts on AMD's Ryzen line. How they work with DCS and how it performs in VR.

I am running an Odyssey+ and my current specs are below. I am really asking a lot of my machine (CPU) right now and need to move on. I will not be getting a new GPU initially, maybe a ways down the road as my GPU seems to be working fine and not loaded. My CPU is the bottleneck right now.

Is Intel still the way to go or has AMD stepped up its game? if so, what Ryzen is the one to get right now if at all. Should I stick with Intel and just pony up?

Thanks for the help.

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I’ve also been looking at AMD. Wait for a month or 2 until zen2 is released and then compare as it’s supposed to level the field as far as single core performance

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I think the chart to look at is still single thread performance benchmarks, if only considering gaming / DCS.

If it's still the reference, then AMD Ryzen is way lower than intel (TR 2920X scores 2231pts, TR 2950X 2214pts, Ryzen 7 2700X 2193 pts, and all the intel's are above with at least 90 references, very old for some, and with max score i9 9900K 2899 pts)

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

I would go intel 100% - may change with 7nm ryzen ?

Well i personally thinking of the 3700x. Hope that it have good overclock to ram the 9900k. So far so good. DCS still leaning very much at a high overclock on core 1 and core 2. So for me has it a blast to get 5.4 Ghz overclock on the new chip. :D

I really like the b450 Mobo, if you shop around you can get a really decent price allowing you to invest in memory on a budget. And amd is committed to forward compatibility. So far the CPUs are sort of meh, single core performance is nothing to scream about. I did not personally find gen2 zen any better than gen1. Rumor has it gen3 will be much better and if you're lucky you might be able to overclock. You could justify a build now with a gen2 chip $160) and plan to upgrade in july

Is Intel still the way to go or has AMD stepped up its game?

For DCS, that thrives on single core performance, Intel is still the way to go .. but dont expect miracles, as on average the cpu performance increases by less than 5% per year, so even if your current CPU is 7 years old it really isnt that far behind the current ones.

The manufacturers have had to resort to increase the number of cores in order to show big increases respect the older processors, that's why your 4 core processor seems much slower than the current 6-core units ... but single core speed hasnt changed much.

Thus, your current processor has a passmark single core rating of 1940, while a core i5 9600K has 2680 ... true, its a 38% increase ... but for 7 years the progress seems not that much, isnt it? :)

So, for now I'd go with Intel ... and dont go for the highest priced processors, as they get their extra scores by uping the amount of cores ... which does nothing for DCS, look for a high single core performance, rather than overall scores.

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For DCS, that thrives on single core performance, Intel is still the way to go .. but dont expect miracles, as on average the cpu performance increases by less than 5% per year, so even if your current CPU is 7 years old it really isnt that far behind the current ones.

 

The manufacturers have had to resort to increase the number of cores in order to show big increases respect the older processors, that's why your 4 core processor seems much slower than the current 6-core units ... but single core speed hasnt changed much.

 

Thus, your current processor has a passmark single core rating of 1940, while a core i5 9600K has 2680 ... true, its a 38% increase ... but for 7 years the progress seems not that much, isnt it? :)

 

So, for now I'd go with Intel ... and dont go for the highest priced processors, as they get their extra scores by uping the amount of cores ... which does nothing for DCS, look for a high single core performance, rather than overall scores.

 

Best regards

with that, you are saying you could go the i5 route and overclock it into the 4 ghz range and it would out perform mine? I only play DCS in VR.

I'm using the Ryzen 5 1600 (non-x) overclocked to 3.5ghz, and it works pretty well. I run decent FPS (locked 45 in air usually, 30s on ground) with 1.5PD, and most things turned up pretty high.

Pondering an upgrade at some point, but between it and a GTX1080 I'm pretty happy overall, and with a significant improvement in VR performance incoming I'm in a "Wait and see" for upgrade cycle.

Previously I was running at i7 4820k @ 4.5 GHz with 16gb DDR3 2100 MHz ram.

I had a 1080 Ti in it a while and it did "ok". Last Sept I changed out the vid card and put a 2080 Ti in it and it still just did "ok". Really did not see much performance increase fps wise, though I was able to up my gfx a little.

This past Jan I build this i9 9900k @ 5.1 GHz rig, with 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz ram and still the same 2080 Ti. I saw a much bigger gain in performance with this rig.

IMHO if building today for VR I would go similar route as I did. I am sure i9 9700k would probably do just as well.

Previously I was running at i7 4820k @ 4.5 GHz with 16gb DDR3 2100 MHz ram.

I had a 1080 Ti in it a while and it did "ok". Last Sept I changed out the vid card and put a 2080 Ti in it and it still just did "ok". Really did not see much performance increase fps wise, though I was able to up my gfx a little.

 

This past Jan I build this i9 9900k @ 5.1 GHz rig, with 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz ram and still the same 2080 Ti. I saw a much bigger gain in performance with this rig.

 

IMHO if building today for VR I would go similar route as I did. I am sure i9 9700k would probably do just as well.

i9 is a little out of the budget. Think I am going to go with an i7-8700k and over clock it. 32gb DDR4 3200, and an MSI z390 board. That should be a decent help, yeah?

i9 is a little out of the budget. Think I am going to go with an i7-8700k and over clock it. 32gb DDR4 3200, and an MSI z390 board. That should be a decent help, yeah?

I would certainly think so.

New build, how is AMD Ryzen CPUs for DCS and VR?

To answer your PM:

It depends.

If you aim for the very best an Intel 6-core is TODAY the way to go, if you had even more cash, a 9900k 8-Core might even be better in the long.

But it comes with a few caveats, like delidding the 8700k, extra high temps and high cost for cooling on 6c and 8c Intel 9th gen, lots of IME bugfixes to Counter meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities, bios updates every now and then, again followed by Intel-ME updates( managem. engine )...etc etc.. for me, a clear sign of a BS chipset that needs 1st Aid every week, sad but true.

Imho, wait for Ryzen3 and see what they deliver.

I run and service ( also built them too ) a few Ryzens and love them all, X or B chipset, they run with less trouble and very very solid performers. From the admin POV, avoid intel and enjoy amd.

If you aim for 90-144 FPS the Intel setup will likely be better till Ryzen3 comes. For VR and 45-90fps I‘d get the AMD and maybe upgrade later on to a 5g amd chip.... or wait a few weeks...it’s almost May already, time flies.

My combo would be x470 and Ryzen3, 32GB and nvme ssd and the biggest fattest gpu you can afford.

With a 1070, you don’t need to worry about missing 500mhz, the gpu wouldn’t push it anyway im be. It would maybe matter at 1080p and medium LOD which should give you 100+ FPS with a 1070.

My tip:

W A I T for Ryzen3 and decide then

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with that, you are saying you could go the i5 route

Yes, the real difference between an i7 and an i5 is mostly the core quantity, for example the core i7 9700K has 8 cores, costs around us$400 and has a single core passmark of 2800; the core i5 9600K has 6 cores, costs US$ 250 and its single core passmark is 2680 ... to me, the i5 is much more cost effective for DCS.

Of course, if you were going to use a software that can make use of all those cores, like AutoCad or Photoshop, then the more expensive cpu can be a sensible choice .. but for DCS ... not so much.

and overclock it into the 4 ghz range ...

? I haven't mentioned overclock at all .. I never suggest OC to other people, as that practice has its risks and so it is difficult for me to recomend it .. I'm always amazed at other people, that because their particular processor can hit certain MHz, then every one can do it too .. it doesnt work that way.

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