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Old 05-22-2017, 12:45 PM   #11
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Thats my point.

DCS is evolving continuosly. Sometimes at low speed, sometimes quicker and other third parties are working keeping his products Up to date.

Im sure this updating process for third developer is also painful, difficult and hard sometimes but they didnt give up. Arguing that 2.5 will benefit VEAO with much desired stable Code base and all development must stop until then doesnt make sense for me.

With all my respect to VEAO team.
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Somehow I doubt 2.5 will be released as a final rock solid definitive stable version. Even the name suggests transition... 2.5.
Is true that no othe third party dev made same anouncement of stopping releasing anything until 2.5 but for sure they haven't stop developing the future modules nor fixing or finishing up the old ones even if they don't have solid release dates.
Also, sorry to say, they don't blame the patches for their bugs. They try to fix them and move on. Even Aviodev.
That is not what we have said now is it? We have not said that we are not working on our modules, we have simply said that we are not looking to release P-40 before 2.5 merge is complete for various reasons.

So please, dont twist what we have said

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Sorry then for arguing you are stopping the development of future modules.

You are still working on then and delaying the release until 2.5.

My apologies
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:40 PM   #14
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we will not be releasing development updates for unreleased products until they are in the hands of ED and release is imminent.
So no renders of the new Typhoon model?
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:40 PM   #15
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That is not what we have said now is it? We have not said that we are not working on our modules, we have simply said that we are not looking to release P-40 before 2.5 merge is complete for various reasons.

So please, dont twist what we have said

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Neither did I. Read again your quote.

I said stop releasing. The announcement not what they actually do which is normal to differ.
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We could go around this all day long Zaelu.
We have not stopped release, we have delayed it for various reasons which we detailed.

What other 3rd party devs do is up to them, this is our decision and it will not change.

Thanks for your support,
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My post may sound a bit.......impatient maybe? But I assure that it is not. I did not order the P-40 and I'm not all that invested in the Hawk so my question is purely a curiosity question, as I would like to understand the process.

I get that ED makes changes and that 3rd parties have to roll with those punches. But I'm trying to connect the dots as to why VEAO seems to have a much harder time keeping up with the other 3rd party devs.

Otherwise: I do not see this many issues (if any much of the time) cropping up in any of the other 3rd party projects coming along every time ED makes changes. And when they do occur, it seems as though all of them work together with ED to get things sorted out in short order. A good example would be a few patches ago when several modules failed in quite a few areas and became unusable. The problem persisted for about a week and then it was fixed. Outside of that update, we have rarely seen any one particular module being continually plagued by the same issues for long periods.

I'm really not trying to pick on you guys. I would very much love to make the Hawk one of my favorite AC. I love it's look and feel. But it seems to me the VEAO seems to have more issues than the other 3rd party devs at this point. I sympathize with you guys but you seem to have a lot of pokers in a fire that may be just a little too hot to handle at this point.

Again, I cannot pretend to know the complete process. I know very little about how this stuff works. I can only compare what I see. And what I believe that a majority of us are seeing is very confusing and leads us to draw very negative conclusions. Maybe wrongfully so. But still.....you have to admit that it certainly looks like something is not quite right.

Thanks. I hope you understand where I am coming from on this.
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Guys, Please do not over-read/assume things outside of what has been stated by PMan/Ells.

2.5 Will likely be the pen-ultimate release for a while,
All Maps Modules (Caucasus 2/HD/Remaster/Reboot, NTTR, Normandy +),
All Core Sim Features (UI Updates, PBR, Deferred Lighting, Etc etc etc.).

after 2.5 is released and moved to stable,
The rash of big under the hood and core code changes will prolly slow down significantly once PBR, Deferred and underlying features currently in the Normandy Alpha are all integrated into Release/OpenBeta Branches.

1.5 to 2.0 to 2.1 to 2.5 is a very complex road. T3 Terrain Engine to T4, to PBR/Deferred/UI/WWII Assets and Scripts, to Caucasus 2.0, to new Damage model sometime, to new Flight Model Stuff , etc etc etc.

it's a lot to keep up with sometimes.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:17 PM   #19
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Let me understand the problems, Veao is currently experiencing problems due to ED's code not being compatible to Veao code? Shouldn't it be the other way around, Veao code is not compatible with ED's code? Just wondering...TC
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Guys, Please do not over-read/assume things outside of what has been stated by PMan/Ells.

2.5 Will likely be the pen-ultimate release for a while,
All Maps Modules (Caucasus 2/HD/Remaster/Reboot, NTTR, Normandy +),
All Core Sim Features (UI Updates, PBR, Deferred Lighting, Etc etc etc.).

after 2.5 is released and moved to stable,
The rash of big under the hood and core code changes will prolly slow down significantly once PBR, Deferred and underlying features currently in the Normandy Alpha are all integrated into Release/OpenBeta Branches.

1.5 to 2.0 to 2.1 to 2.5 is a very complex road. T3 Terrain Engine to T4, to PBR/Deferred/UI/WWII Assets and Scripts, to Caucasus 2.0, to new Damage model sometime, to new Flight Model Stuff , etc etc etc.

it's a lot to keep up with sometimes.

Sorry SkateZilla, I just don't get it. I understand that there are issues. But these issues only seem to be plaguing VEAO to the degree of crippling their ability to effectively operate. Other 3rd party devs have more modules out and running and ED changes seem to have a minimal impact on their modules.
My lack of understanding comes from VEAO seemingly being completely crippled in some ways by issues that don't seem to be having the same effect on the other companies dealing with the same problems presented by the changes being made by ED.
I am not trying to single VEAO out. It's just odd to me. And yes....the situation unfortunately leads to confusion, and speculation.
I get that when someone pre pays for something and 2 years later it's still not around, it can get pretty upsetting. So in that case I can see where speculation about it would become inevitable. And I don't blame those guys.
But I'm not making any speculations. I'm really just trying to understand.

I can see that this is potentially a very explosive subject.....I'll just take my leave of it. It's really not worth any answers that I may come away with.
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