After the Tomcat?

I'm in (and hope...) for Tornado, too. It's much needed, is an Iconic and would benefit from techs, developed tor the Cat. F-111 would be great, too. But my guess is for the Tornado.

Or maybe a two-seater Draken... :D

Cant wait for the Tomcat first. But I could see why you guys think the Tornado or Aardvark is next. Good speculation. I would love the Tornado. If we could get that, the Falcon, and a dynamic campaign, I think we would steal the Falcon BMS community. Love the direction DCS is going!

If there will be a Tornado it will be a Cold War Tornado IDS/GR.1 (same thing), maybe with some british Desert Storm upgrades (TIALD pod), but only maybe. Everything else is probably too modern and still in use.

a tornado gr1 would be freaking awesome, i absolutely loved that plane as a child. although i would take a foxbat as well.

Cant wait for the Tomcat first. But I could see why you guys think the Tornado or Aardvark is next. Good speculation. I would love the Tornado. If we could get that, the Falcon, and a dynamic campaign, I think we would steal the Falcon BMS community. Love the direction DCS is going!

BMS is still my primary sim, not just because of the f16, but because of the map size and dynamic campaign. They have to fix that and the missile dynamics first, but a tornado or intruder would certainly make me put up with those issues far more often :)

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From what it sounds like, these are future goals. I know Wags mentioned whole earth rendering technology is something they are looking at. He also specifically mentioned dynamic campaigns is something they are working toward as well.

I believe the Devs know these are things people desire, it is just a matter of time and tech to get there. But I feel confident it will find its way to DCS.

Like others, I'd like to see the Panavia Tornado GR.4 as well. But I'd also like to see the Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle and F/A-18F Super Hornet, both of which can utilize much of the technologies developed for the F-14A/B.

as much as i love the american jets, taking a long view for DCS i think we oughta share the love and get diversity in the DCS stable

as much as i love the american jets, taking a long view for DCS i think we oughta share the love and get diversity in the DCS stable

What are you talking about? ED has always emphasized non-U.S. platforms. It was only when they released the game-changing LOMAC that they got more U.S. platforms in the mix.

Currently, the flyable U.S. DCS inventory consists of:

- A-10A/C Thunderbolt II

- AV-8B Harrier II

- F-5E Tiger II

- F-15C Eagle

- P-51D Mustang

- UH-1H Iroquois

Six out of how many total aircraft? And keep in mind the F-14 and F/A-18 haven't been released yet. If anything, DCS ought to release at least one U.S. aircraft for every two non-U.S. planes.

If its accurate, has two wings, and flys well, or just flys, I am in. Diversity is a good thing, however, I am not complaining about a single aircraft any of the devs decide to make. If you love aviation and flying, should not really matter.

There's also the F-86F Sabre.

I really love to have a Tornado in DCS, i think the GR.4 is too advanced, i would enjoy a GR.1/IDS as well.

It would be awesome if there are two version (like F-14A and B): one is an attack aircraft (like GR.1/IDS) and the other is the ADV or maybe ECR.

If this come true i'm glad to buy the module 100 times.

I'm very biased being Italian but I would absolutely love some version of the F104 (or hopefully more than one!), and it does kind of fit what Heatblur/Leatherneck have done before:

- it's very challenging to fly like the F14A and Mig21

- it's very versatile and can perform lots of roles like the Mig21

- different versions could be implemented quite easily like the F14

- it's not necessarily the shiniest greatest most loved plane on the block but it does have lots of personality like the Viggen and Mig21

It's kind of a long shot since they mentioned using their own technology but hey, I wouldn't say no to a Tornado either ;)

I'm very biased being Italian but I would absolutely love some version of the F104 (or hopefully more than one!), and it does kind of fit what Heatblur/Leatherneck have done before:

- it's very challenging to fly like the F14A and Mig21

- it's very versatile and can perform lots of roles like the Mig21

 

- different versions could be implemented quite easily like the F14

- it's not necessarily the shiniest greatest most loved plane on the block but it does have lots of personality like the Viggen and Mig21

 

 

It's kind of a long shot since they mentioned using their own technology but hey, I wouldn't say no to a Tornado either ;)

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I vote AJS-37 Viggen....

I'll be one of the Soviet-fanboys to counter the NATO-fanboys, and say "We need more quality Red Air!”

MiG-23/27 and Mi-26 are high on my list...

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I was resistant before, but I'm thinking Tornado or Vark would be cool. On another thought line though we have two aircraft from the same era, might be time for HB to branch out to either a helicopter or a warbird? They've done well by us so far, be cool to see what they could do along those lines!

I'll be one of the Soviet-fanboys to counter the NATO-fanboys, and say "We need more quality Red Air!”

MiG-23/27 and Mi-26 are high on my list...

hear! hear!

(( and... feel free to interpret that ANY WAY YOU LIKE, @checkgear - i don't care ))

I would love to see a Foxbat or Flogger. So many good times dogfighting these two in Janes Us Navy Fighters and USAF Fighters

I'll be one of the Soviet-fanboys to counter the NATO-fanboys, and say "We need more quality Red Air!”

MiG-23/27 and Mi-26 are high on my list...

 

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Yea now that I think about it, the Mig 23/27 and the Tu-24 also kind of fit the "existing technology" thing they mentioned in some way. That would be pretty cool actually.

A bluefor gunship.

Well for myself i would love to see a high altitude bomber, B-29/52 or a TU-95 add a F-85 Sabre and MIG-15 for escorts it could work. All ways loved the big bombers so for me it would be a dream, with the new jester AI working the guns and other parts.

We have fighters/ fighter bombers time to give some of the big boys a shot.

I would love to see a Foxbat or Flogger. So many good times dogfighting these two in Janes Us Navy Fighters and USAF Fighters

The Mig-25 gets far too little love.

To compare it to the Blackbird is to make perhaps an unfair comparison. The Oxcarts are an aircraft built to do one thing and do that thing to detriment of everything else. It flew over a target at maximum velocity, grabbed the data and got home safely. The YF-12 could shoot missiles. It also took a full day to get it ready to fly - something less than ideal for an interceptor. They required special fuel. A special starting fluid that ignited hypergolically. A specialised hanger. A specialised tanker force. A specialised engine. They were the product of the best engineers given the best materials, the best pilots and what amounted to a blank chequebook.

An awesome machine in their own right that was perfect for its mission.

The Mig-25 "Foxbat" was a very different machine.

It could do Mach 3 aswell. Once. It did it by making the engines an expendable part. Not really a problem when they're cheap to build. The R-15 turbojets had originally been designed for a single-use trisonic missile - and were updated to have a longer service life in an aircraft. Due to it's speed and engine design, it still holds the absolute air-breathing altitude record, and altitude with payload record. It also swallows 20 litres of kerosene every operating second at full throttle.

Titanium was expensive to work with and demanded a budget far beyond what was available for an interceptor that had to be produced in the hundreds, so it was instead built from Nickel Steel. Which meant it could be welded together using the same machinery and hardware as your average car, truck or washing machine. It allowed a high quality production to be achieved at minimal cost.

They matched a pair of massive engines and a steel airframe, to the most powerful radar possible to blast through ECM, and four of the largest missiles ever fitted to an aircraft. Or, dpending on version, ELINT hardware or reconnaissance cameras.

It operated from open airfields Siberia and Syria. In Libya, some rebels got a Mig-25 flying and uses AA missiles to shoot at ground targets. Syria is still able to get theirs flying every now and then. Saddam buried his before the last Gulf War, expecting them to survive the US attacks and be reactivated afterwards if his regime survived. They were almost effective in the first war, considering the gulf in pilot skill and the age of the airframes at the time.

The Foxbat has never really had the luxury of having well trained pilots at the helm, when matched against western hardware. Most were sold to tinpots keen to have The Fastest, or thumb their nose at the West. When employed by pilots who were gl;orified war thunder players, they made for Eagle and Phantom food. Just think of all the WT players turnfighting Zeroes and Spirfires in Thunderbolts.....

When given to a skillful Pilot who could use the aircraft's speed properly, they could achieve some remarkable results. An Iraqi pilot (Mohammad Rayyan) actually became an Ace while flying one - hunting Iranian Phantoms before getting himself downed by Tomcats. Another Iraqi pilot used the aircraft's speed to destroy an F-18 near Baghad during the first Gulf War. On another mission, a Mig-25 evaded a pair of F-15s to engage the F-111 Raven the F-15's had been escorting, forcing it to return to base. It then outran the F-15s to escape.

By the 90's they are completely outclassed, but still capable of engaging and being a threat. The reconnaissance variant however, became notorious

In the 70's, "Egypt" was flying them over the Sinai and just leaving the Isreali air force for dust. One was famously tracked at Mach 3.2, climbing and accelerating away from Isreali F-4s. Its engines needed to be overhauled, but they are a consumeable part.

India used them to fly over Pakistan at 65-70k ft where Pakistan's air defenses couldn't even detect it, let alone do anything about it. The first warning was the sonic boom in Islamabad. And, unlike the Blackbird, the Indian Migs were the Mig-25 RB. They could carry bombs. The Blackbird was known for it's ability to fly with impunity, rattling the windows of presidential palaces. The Mig-25 could do that - then drop a bomb or two for good measure. Where the Blacbird said "I'm up here and you can't do anything about it" the Mig warned "I'm up here and you can't do anything about it - and I also carry bombs."

That really annoyed Pakistan for some reason.

It's a bit like the difference between a Ferrari and a Dodge. Everyone lusts after the Ferrari, but there's something cheeky about the big friendly Dodge that's almost as fast, and a hell of a lot simpler and cheaper. It's a big lump of steel with massive engines and a thirst for fuel to beat the band - I'd have thought it'd fit right in in the US.

Anyway. The Engineers at Tumansky figured out how to modify the R-15 to sustain Mach-3 speeds. The Foxbat airframe was up to it. In the end, they didn't bother as the successor was on the way, with a very different mission. The Engineers at Lockheed considered fitting bombs to the SR-71 (Bomb anywhere in the world in 3 hours??) but for some reason - probably funding or because it would demand an opponent from the Soviets- decided not to.

Probably too much of a one-trick pony for DCS. But what a trick

With that description I actually really really want one now

Tornado would be great, but I do think non NATO aircraft need some love as well. Anything is a privilege, but I'd love to see an SU-24.

This little bandit would be ideal for DCS.