ViFF Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Seems like the FM has been taken to the extreme opposite in the roll axis. My observations: 1. No acceleration into or out of the roll at all only "bang on" insane roll rate immediately as the PC joystick is hammered to any side. 2. No difference between heavy loaded with bombs and fuel tanks on wing pylons vs clean - same insane roll rate. 3. At slow speed there is no de-acceleration out of the rolling momentum as if this bird has FBW that gives "opposite" control surface movement to stop the roll immediately when PC joystick is centered. I am familiar with the data of 400 something deg per second - this relevent to a clean aircraft at combat speed and after the roll is fully developed. Sorry but for me the MiG-21 goes back to the hangar until this is fixed. S! IAF.ViFF http://www.preflight.us Israel's Combat Flight Sim Community Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadHabit Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Finally someone who sees what I see! "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humptydumpty Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 There are a few quirks for me. Low speed roll felt good like there was inertia. But at higher speed she feels like paper. There is no drag / weight issues when one of the gears is out. when flaps are deployed no ballooning effect, she has small wings but i don't expect some ballooning I can't land this baby anymore :( always bounce back up :( i used to land her but not anymore but this could be related to my Logitech attack 3 not sure though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Attitude Power Trim Power Attitude Trim Wing Commander SWAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadHabit Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I would return to the old binaries if someone could tell me how without using all of my activation's again. Not because it was accurate or this is inaccurate cause I'll never know the numbers but cause the former was closer in what I think a plane acts on the air and I back up everything VIFF posted. "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRindner Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I tend to agree. Now that 1.5.6 and 2.0.5 DRN has been resolved! Mig21 is now very twitchy, extremely sensitive to roll, and minor PIO. I flattened roll, rudder, and pitch curves to have 3 in deadzone, 10 in curve. Initially I like nimble handling, then found myself with hands full of airplane. Now , not so much. I noticed that as the stick deflects out deadzone, aircraft twitch while rolling, almost like a maximum snap roll. In pitch the same twitchy oversensitive pitch creates small PIO, but makes AG targeting, strafing, and rockets significantly more difficult. Recovery (landing) is now very difficult. As soon as I touchdown, even the smallest rudder deflection, makes aircraft snake on runway, snapping off the main gear, and or tilting the aircraft. Drag chute. refuses to pop-out about in 80% of time. I have not forgotten to zero out gear breaks, so the air pressure is maintained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadHabit Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I tend to use the SAU Stabilizer system to make the aircraft behave as I like makes maneuvers and flight more smooth and accurate, but still for me this is not a solution since at low speeds the dumbering (landing etc) of the stabilizer will create response problems. "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Dioxin Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Just for info as I guess English isn't your native lingo - de-acceleration is called deceleration ;) I think a few of the models are too sensitive, but I simply adjust my stick curves to compensate (Flankers and Tiger come to mind). I've not flown the Bison for a while due to it's issues. Indigogo backer as well. Kneeboard Guides Rig: Asus B650-GAMING PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; SN-1 Pedals; VR = Pico 4 over VD Wireless + Index; Point Control v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin887 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Stability/agility will be improved for the next update. We had no time to allocate to tune it better concerning the more important patch preparation we had to do. Edited May 2, 2017 by Dolphin887 typo Power through superb knowledge, training and teamwork. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadHabit Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Hopes for the best! Versions 1.2.16 and or 1.5.3 is a good place to start :D "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 But i hope you don`t overshoot it the other way. In my opinion as plane is basicly a dart it should have very lov inertia and sharp movement for roll at speed. I like this FM far more better than old one. Remember guys that if you use joistick fithout extensions it will be fast. but with propper extension, to make stick as long as ir RL it seems quite good. Certenlyt better than old one. As nor me or you have flown ther real thing it is hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Sorry for double post, but it is interesting to see if those who say its to sharp use longer joysticks;) Y see if you have extensions the sharp movements are naturaly made less sharp. It the same as playing racing games with wheel or joystick. As i said i do not thing that Mig-21 model is very far away, mayby tine bit too much, but not as ther old one for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLOVEwindmills Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 No idea what you guys are talking about, landings and manoeuvres are smoother and more precise than they have ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadHabit Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 But i hope you don`t overshoot it the other way. In my opinion as plane is basicly a dart it should have very lov inertia and sharp movement for roll at speed. I like this FM far more better than old one. Remember guys that if you use joistick fithout extensions it will be fast. but with propper extension, to make stick as long as ir RL it seems quite good. Certenlyt better than old one. As nor me or you have flown ther real thing it is hard to tell. Still moving the stick slightly will force me to roll more than I wanted with my curve setting already at 35, I own an x52 and I don't plan to change it or use extension. Back in 1.2 we had a great FM in all aspects and I don't think an insane roll rate plus overdone sensitivity can characterize the Bis or any fighter that uses only the pilots inputs and not a computer. "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLOVEwindmills Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Still moving the stick slightly will force me to roll more than I wanted with my curve setting already at 35, I own an x52 and I don't plan to change it or use extension. Back in 1.2 we had a great FM in all aspects and I don't think an insane roll rate plus overdone sensitivity can characterize the Bis or any fighter that uses only the pilots inputs and not a computer. 14 curvature with 82 saturation, standard warthog stick. I have no problems with accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 i don't have any roll curves and i use an unextended stick with no problems so i can't imagine how hamfisted you have to be with the stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Feels great too me as well, much more presice on rolls. Using tmw. DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I'm using a 120mm extension on the Hawg. Plus, I have the curves set per the manual. Able to land, etc, just fine. MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadHabit Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Saitek X 52 standard built. I fly any other sim or module with no problem. "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humptydumpty Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Logitech attack 3 extended by 2 feet. I have roll and pitch to 20s , i feel there is no weight Edited April 8, 2017 by humptydumpty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Attitude Power Trim Power Attitude Trim Wing Commander SWAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Have you tried rebinding the axis in settings your curves seem super high DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright_GR1 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Loving the new roll rate myself, 20 curve on each axis sorted me out and now she is a nimble little aircraft, just as god intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcop Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 No idea what you guys are talking about, landings and manoeuvres are smoother and more precise than they have ever been. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) you are not holding a heavy stick like they do, so you can slam easier all... Edited April 8, 2017 by Fri13 i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 That one at 0:43 is pretty darn close to the Mig-21 as it is now. The FM might require some fine tuning, but the new roll is what a missile with wings is supposed to do. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 30cm extension here. I love the new FM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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