LS code

When will the LS code be editable in flight and how? As in the Tiger via kneeboard?

LS ???

Laser code? If you refer to the laser code, it is editable in the editor only. And only the last three digits 1.X.X.X

Laser code? If you refer to the laser code, it is editable in the editor only. And only the last three digits 1.X.X.X

Sorry, I meant editable in flight. In the ME is completely useless because if the mission uses JTAC and it says it lases with 1534 (STP Server for example) I can't use it.

So when will it be editable in flight and how? So we can use the GBU-12 on the servers.

I'm not sure it will be (it's not the case IRL).

Best would be a way to ask the AI JTAC to use compatible codes.

In real life the laser code is physically set on the bomb itself. No way to modify it from inside the plane.

OK, So simulate me yelling to the ground crew 'hey guys last minute change...'

if i understand correctly , in the F-5 ,BST made it so you can change the laser code when the engines are shut down using commands on the kneeboard.

Nice idea by BST, could be duplicated here.

But it wouldn't solve your issue with the JTAC either. Indeed what's needed is your last minute change :)

In real life the laser code is physically set on the bomb itself. No way to modify it from inside the plane.

Guys.... is this the real aviation thread? No it isn't.

This is the M-2000 sim thread.

So it's completely irrelevant, whether it's possible in real life or not. DCS is not real aviation, so we have to make compromises.

And in the DCS world it works that way: A mission builder creates targets, puts a JTAC on them and creates some player controlled units. And to use the GBU-12 we need to be able to set the LS code to the JTAC LS code. Regardless how it works in real life.

At the moment we have an almost useless GBU-12 on MP servers.

A mission builder creates targets, puts a JTAC on them and creates some player controlled units. And to use the GBU-12 we need to be able to set the LS code to the JTAC LS code. Regardless how it works in real life.

I disagree.

We need to have a way to get the JTAC's laser designator and the bomb codes to be the same.

You suggest to get a way to change the bomb code (which is not possible IRL).

I suggest to get a way to have the JTAC adapt its designator's code (which is how it's done IRL).

Both ways work. One is realistic. DCS being a simulator, aiming for realism, I suggest the second one is better suited. Don't you agree?

It's not about "preventing" you to get the GBUs usable on public servers with AI JTACs. It's about getting it working in the most realistic way :)

I disagree.

We need to have a way to get the JTAC's laser designator and the bomb codes to be the same.

 

You suggest to get a way to change the bomb code (which is not possible IRL).

I suggest to get a way to have the JTAC adapt its designator's code (which is how it's done IRL).

Both ways work. One is realistic. DCS being a simulator, aiming for realism, I suggest the second one is better suited. Don't you agree?

It's not about "preventing" you to get the GBUs usable on public servers with AI JTACs. It's about getting it working in the most realistic way :)

How it will work is not important for me. I want it to work ASAP. And if I check in to the JTAC with my LS code and he lases with this code - for me it will be fine.

But to change the M-2000 is faster than to change the JTAC. Because changing JTAC is part of DCS and that costs more time than to change this little thing in the M-2000 for RAZBAM ;)

And I can't put more things into the DCS wishlist, there are too many problems pending under my name, for example the inverted wind and the wrong, useless ATC messages :D

It is not possible IRL so not possible Ingame.

Sorry but this is a Simulation of the M-2000C not an Arcade Game like BF or something.

What about simulate ARMAT ?? not possible on the real one but an good compromise ingame, right??

Just an example ;)

AnnaNass, I understand your priority ("have it quickly").

I don't share it.

Mine is more in the "have it right" mode (even if it takes more time).

Fly safe :)

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Az'

AnnaNass, I understand your priority ("have it quickly").

I don't share it.

Mine is more in the "have it right" mode (even if it takes more time).

 

Fly safe :)

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Az'

To become a flight simulator DCS have a long way in front of it. But in the case of the Mirage we have a useless GBU-12. For example yesterday in the mission the LS code was 1534 and I had to land without dropping my bombs.

So guys now try to think further than from 12 o'clock to noon: What is more realistic?

To match LC codes inflight or unable to use your GBU-12? :thumbup:

I give you a hind: In real combat a M-2000 doesn't land, because it's LS code doesn't match with the JTAC one

To become a flight simulator DCS have a long way in front of it. But in the case of the Mirage we have a useless GBU-12. For example yesterday in the mission the LS code was 1534 and I had to land without dropping my bombs.

 

So guys now try to think further than from 12 o'clock to noon: What is more realistic?

To match LC codes inflight or unable to use your GBU-12? :thumbup:

I give you a hind: In real combat a M-2000 doesn't land, because it's LS code doesn't match with the JTAC one

1. what has ILS to do with JTAC?

2. If you would have a friendly A-10C in the air, you could ask it for lasing...

To become a flight simulator DCS have a long way in front of it. But in the case of the Mirage we have a useless GBU-12. For example yesterday in the mission the LS code was 1534 and I had to land without dropping my bombs.

 

So guys now try to think further than from 12 o'clock to noon: What is more realistic?

To match LC codes inflight or unable to use your GBU-12? :thumbup:

I give you a hind: In real combat a M-2000 doesn't land, because it's LS code doesn't match with the JTAC one

That is simply not correct, the mission designer can set both JTAC laser code and mirage laser code. Its simply the mission designer who didnt do that.

So its far from useless.

And after all, getting a friendly A10c to laze is easier and actually more realistic in many scenarios. IRL 2000n do it for the 2000c iirc.

Most realistic is you cant adjust it inflight, JTAC is able to do it. DCS is a simulator.

I am fine with stuff like the d2m, which was an catalog option in terms of if you wannted to buy one back then, you could have it. I am remotely fine with having modifications like the quad magics. But something which is just not possible like gbu12 in flight lasercode change from a plane that doesnt even know its carrying LGBs, noo :D to much for me.

But having an option in the kneeboard or something else to change it while on the ground, perfectly fine with me.

How it will work is not important for me. I want it to work ASAP. And if I check in to the JTAC with my LS code and he lases with this code - for me it will be fine.

But to change the M-2000 is faster than to change the JTAC. Because changing JTAC is part of DCS and that costs more time than to change this little thing in the M-2000 for RAZBAM ;)

 

And I can't put more things into the DCS wishlist, there are too many problems pending under my name, for example the inverted wind and the wrong, useless ATC messages :D

It doesn't work that way, it's called Digital Combat Simulator for a reason, I bought the modules on that basis and you have to remember there are other people playing this sim too.

Like it has been mentioned, there are other ways to fix this in a more realistic way so patience is your only choice, sorry mate.

Saying that you want it fixed NOW & in my WAY isn't how this works just because you can't wait...

So it's completely irrelevant, whether it's possible in real life or not. DCS is not real aviation, so we have to make compromises.

Regardless how it works in real life.

Seriously?

I do agree with az' and SCU.

Yeah this isn't the place to be bantering about how thinks need to get fixed asap. Nor the place to be baffling up some dirt. If you can't post about it in the other threads in general maybe the issue is not dcs maybe it's you. So we wait on ED to make the change....simple as that.

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Laser code should always be passed on check in to JTAC and it is JTAC which changes to suit the aircraft's weapon. I don't know if ED's built-in JTAC conforms to what the aircraft carries. I do know that the 3rd party mods don't which is 100% wrong. The designator adapts to the aircraft every time.

Additionally every mission editor value must be changeable during runtime: UH-1 rope length, Ka-50 radio preset channel frequency, Mirage laser code, and more. In the extreme the Su-25 entire flight plan must be editable. The A-10C ability to change weapon values mid-air is a poor bandaid over a much larger wound.

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F8. Ground Crew...

F5. Configure aircraft...

I give you a hind: In real combat a M-2000 doesn't land, because it's LS code doesn't match with the JTAC one

Sorry but this is not correct.

What would happen is this: Either the M-2000 pilot would be able to get the JTAC (or buddy lasing aircraft) to change the code it lases, either he would in fact, have to go home (or to another JTAC) without dropping anything.

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Az'

PS: A hind? Wow, thanks, always loved that chopper. Just kidding, I'm already out.:D

Guys: please simply stop!

This is getting far away from the point. Now some guy begins to talk about ILS :huh:

This thread is not for discussion, it's for a problem:

I flew on a server, the JTAC lasered targets for every unit (maybe per script IDK I'm pilot and not a software specialist) and he gave me a LS code and I was unable to set this LS code. And whatever you guys say - that is a problem.

To fix it there are two ways: Force the JTAC to my LS code (DCS work) or set my GBU to JTAC LS code (RAZBAM's work). And to implement the opportunity to set the LS code to the JTAC laser is faster.

So I've found a problem and brought a solution. No further discussion.

And for the guy who said "It's the mission builder's work" : yeah that solves my problem sarcasm out. It the mission builder's work to write the tanker tacan in the briefing and do you see it on every mission? Some builder put even a M-2000 in a mission but only a KC-135 tanker

You found a solution, there is another one that doesn't need any coding:

Ask mission designer to put JTAC laser code in briefing...

You found a solution, there is another one that doesn't need any coding:

Ask mission designer to put JTAC laser code in briefing...

And then? Then I know the code... great in an A-10C but useless in a M-2000

It's the solution YOU want, not THE solution...