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Old 07-11-2019, 12:26 AM   #1
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Default How good is the Huey?

I'm looking for accurate flight model, accurate and extensive systems & engine modeling. Are there things not modeled?

Who is the maker and currently responsible for the Huey's upkeep? Is it the main company DCS or is it a third party contractor? I read Belsimtek here and there and am confused.

I'm thinking about getting my first helicopter. UH-1 is the iconic helicopter, so therefore ... having had extensive and ongoing use, there should be tons of loadouts modeled for it.

I want a 'difficult' helicopter. Difficult is not the right word. With a learning curve perhaps. I fly the spitfire a lot because it is a bit demanding to land. Above all I'm looking for fidelity in modeling and systems.

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Old 07-11-2019, 02:53 AM   #2
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I'm looking for accurate flight model, accurate and extensive systems & engine modeling. Are there things not modeled?

Who is the maker and currently responsible for the Huey's upkeep? Is it the main company DCS or is it a third party contractor? I read Belsimtek here and there and am confused.

I'm thinking about getting my first helicopter. UH-1 is the iconic helicopter, so therefore ... having had extensive and ongoing use, there should be tons of loadouts modeled for it.

I want a 'difficult' helicopter. Difficult is not the right word. With a learning curve perhaps. I fly the spitfire a lot because it is a bit demanding to land. Above all I'm looking for fidelity in modeling and systems.
DCS bought out Belsimtek so they are one in the same. I just bought the Huey and the KA-50. I like them both. The Huey is simple as far as systems etc. go. It takes a lot of practice and you have to actually fly the bird. It has limited weapons and no INS navigation. So you will either be using ADF a lot or do like I did and buy the NS-430. The Black shark is much more capable for combat and sling loading stuff. But you cant transport people. It is also very intensive to learn to fly. It has a lot of systems to learn like the A-10C. It has extensive auto pilot systems and awesome navigation systems. So they are both difficult in their own ways. Both are a blast. It just depends on what you want to do. Or do like I did and get both during the sale for the price of one.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:13 AM   #3
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With a learning curve perhaps.
I suggest you get the Mi-8. It has been said to be the best virtual chopper of all time, and I agree. That thing is just awesome.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:57 AM   #4
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The Huey is every bit as good as the Mi8. The Mi8 has more going on in the cockpit, is larger, and requires more patience to fly as it is more susceptible to VRS and you really have to pay attention to your descent rate in a hover. Both will challenge you and infuriate you at first, but once you get the feel for hovering and learn their eccentricities, they will also be immensely rewarding!

You really cannot go wrong with either and buying one will undoubtedly make you want to get the other. Both are excellent modules and the pinnacle of helicopter simulation.

Caveat - there is the multicrew aspect that has yet to be implemented, just don't purchase either thinking this feature will be added anytime soon.
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Old 07-11-2019, 04:06 AM   #5
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There is an avid DCS proponent who also posts encounters of his on YT...I recommend checking out his vids piloting the Huey...he is rather proficient or seems to be ...although his vids are not tutorials, extremely entertaining including a specific vid of him and his co-pilot "Bob" engaged in air to air combat with the Russian "flying tank"...not sure if he uses the same callsign but on YT is "Hellreign82"---message him I'm sure he would be happy to provide insight

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Old 07-11-2019, 12:08 PM   #6
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I'm looking for accurate flight model, accurate and extensive systems & engine modeling. Are there things not modeled?
Loss of tail rotor effectiveness (LTE) isn't modelled in any DCS module - this means that in a static hover, the DCS Huey is controllable in an adverse 40 knots crosswind, while IRL it'd be about 20 knots. The DCS Huey's tail does 'weather cock' into the wind which some players take to be LTE but IRL, LTE would increase the effect.

Currently the Huey is a little under powered at sea level (has similar performance to 4000' curve) and the rotor produces more lift than would be expected at higher altitudes (10,000'). This isn't an issue for a slick (clean) configuration but with weapons, you'll want to use 50% fuel / 86% (8200/9500 lbs) GTW.

The lower than RL performance and recent EGT damage model causes problems for some missions and paid DLC i.e. Argo, as they were designed to be challenging without taking loadout/weight into account.

Both Engine and Main Rotor dynamics are being reworked ATM.

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Loadouts are limited to M134 Mini-guns, M60 door guns, 2.75' rockets HE/WP/Smoke/Illumination and slick (no hard points). It does carry a lot of ammunition though - mini-gun 3200 each, M60 750 each and 7/19 rockets per pod (max 2).

Lots of user skins and missions have been made for the Huey, but changes to DCS textures and .lua script functions, unfortunately broke many old favourites, there's still a lot of good ones but YMMV.

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I want a 'difficult' helicopter. Difficult is not the right word. With a learning curve perhaps.
I wouldn't call the Huey difficult - my startup checklist fits on half a page of A4 and getting it started less than 5 minutes, doing the same in the Mi-8 takes about 15 minutes.

Mastering it takes longer but I consider it an ideal starting point as you'll spend most of your time flying, not going though checklists or working out which switches to set.

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This is what a RL Huey pilot said recently of the current FM:

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PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE MODULE

I thing the module is pretty good, it gives a really good sensation of flying the Huey. BUT, there are a couple of strange things going on

1) Rotor behaves weird, with a tendency to overspeed really easy, specially when not loaded (no power applied).

2) Engine: all engine parameters are really sensitive and jump up or down when playing with the collective. Example: you are about to start an approach (35 TQ) and you lower collective (intended 25). All engine instruments will go all the way down (10TQ), you will start falling 1500ft/min and then they will go up (25TQ) without raising collective.

Same thing applies the other way. You apply collective, it will jump to a waaaaay higher value and then back to the one it should.

3) Feels TOO maneuverable with speed. Below ETL and in GE feels GREAT.

Hope it helps, let me know if you need more information!

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Old 07-11-2019, 12:42 PM   #7
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303, the Huey is everything you are describing. When I bought it, I thought I could simply increase collective and fly. I WAS SO WRONG. It took me weeks to say that I actually had full control of this chopper. Even today, I am still nervous to fly it when the weather is so so. It is always a challenge and you will learn something new in every flight depending of the condition of the weather as well as where you fly it. You will LOVE the flight model of this chopper, it is really detailed. I do not see how you would not like it.

I bought all choppers in a "Helicopter package deal" that happened last year. So I have all of them. From my point of view, the Huey is the most rewarding one to fly. I would consider this release as a classic. Also when configured as an offensive platform, it is very dangerous in an area populated by light target.

The KA-50 is also awesome but more combat oriented. I do enjoy flying it as well, but like other reported it is quite a complex weapons platform. Also wag reported that they will update the cockpit and offer a new version later on this year.

I did not start to fly the MI-8 yet. But heard very good things about it. I want to fully master the Huey first.

The Gazelle is a joke. The flight model feels like a 1990 Atari game. Sorry if I offend someone, but that module is not up to the level of DCS. From what I see that you are looking for, you would hate that one after 5 minutes of flying it.

Get the Huey, you will love every bit of it.

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Old 07-11-2019, 02:32 PM   #8
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I took the plunge and bought the Huey a few days ago. It is such a rewarding aircraft to fly. My hovering leaves a lot to be desired but that will come with practice. In just a couple of days i'm able to start her up, do the mission (as long as there's no hovering), navigate back to base, land and shut down.
It is my favourite aircraft in my hanger, even the Tomcat has been relegated.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:30 PM   #9
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huey is the best module in DCS

with the mi-8 a close second.

what you learn in the huey will transfer to the larger and more complex mi-8. and what you learn in the mi-8 will transfer to the mi-24 gunship when we get it.

so that is a nice transition path right there.

you will keep returning to the huey though. just for fun.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:52 PM   #10
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Thanks for many good replies.

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Currently the Huey is a little under powered at sea level (has similar performance to 4000' curve) and the rotor produces more lift than would be expected at higher altitudes (10,000'). This isn't an issue for a slick (clean) configuration but with weapons, you'll want to use 50% fuel / 86% (8200/9500 lbs) GTW.

The lower than RL performance and recent EGT damage model causes problems for some missions and paid DLC i.e. Argo, as they were designed to be challenging without taking loadout/weight into account.

Both Engine and Main Rotor dynamics are being reworked ATM.
I don't expect anything to be perfect but I really want (require?) ongoing incremental improvements to everything ... flight modeling, system modeling ... etc

I'd hate to buy a 'dead' helicopter.

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I'll take that as a good sign.
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