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Old 10-13-2015, 02:59 PM   #1
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Hey chaps, I am intrigued by what the general consensus is now that the 109 and 190 have been out for a while.

I haven't had enough time in the 109 yet however from the little time I have had it certainly feels a lot more potent mainly due to the maneuverability and that insane cannon! However I feel much safer in the 190, it takes much more punishment and the extra ammo and fuel allows me to stay in the zone much longer (I really need to work on my aim though).

So do you prefer the 109 or 190?

P S. I don't want this to be a 'goad' thread so please give a good reason why which is your go to ride
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:17 PM   #2
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I find myself flying the 109 quite a bit more than the 190. To paraphrase Adolf Galland: The 109 "fits like a glove".
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Personally I think with the actual planeset both are winners in the usual dogfights and conditions. 190 has more endurance, I'm not sure about that but I don't feel fully comfortable with 100% fuel load, the "real" 190 only arises when aft fuel tank is empty (as it should be) so you lose your endurance if you want the best combat conditions. 109 of course is penalised by a 100% fuel load but not so hugely IMO and not in a so accused CoG change, so while 190 has more endurance I would take a 109 for a long run.

In the short run, aft tank emptied 190, and similar conditions 109 may be I like the low level speed of 190. But you can also out run and specially out climb a P-51 easily with the 109. In the end I guess it's a likes question, what you like more, but them both are winners in the actual battlefield. I wouldn't know what to choose if I had to keep only one.

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For the reasons you gaved above, those planes are too different and too good in what they built for, to pick one. It depends with my mood which one I use. I`ll fly the 190 for a boom'n'zoom, but when I want dogfight action I`d go for the 109. Both, for me.

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I find myself flying the 109 quite a bit more than the 190. To paraphrase Adolf Galland: The 109 "fits like a glove".
My understanding was that Galland voiced his opinion that the 109 manufacturing should be ceased and replaced with the 190 and Me 262!
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I'm not sure I can explain this well, but the 190 feels like a modern muscle car with fancy gizmos and such, and the 109 feels like a beefy 1969 Camaro, the 109 to me just feels like a high performance weapon, little comforts and such. I told Yo-Yo a while back that I am not sure now that my favorite aircraft, the Spitfire, is going to pull me out of the cockpit of the 109.
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I made this exact same thread in December and my opinion has barely changed since.

Dora. Always.

And it simply comes down to one word; ergonomics.

Incredible visibility, easy and enjoyable to use, very forgiving and smooth in flight (Especially with rudder), well armed (Although doesn't matter in DCS currently) and she even looks much better.

She is just superior.
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I'm not sure I can explain this well, but the 190 feels like a modern muscle car with fancy gizmos and such, and the 109 feels like a beefy 1969 Camaro, the 109 to me just feels like a high performance weapon, little comforts and such. I told Yo-Yo a while back that I am not sure now that my favorite aircraft, the Spitfire, is going to pull me out of the cockpit of the 109.
I feel exactly the same thing the 190 always reminds me of a muscle car!

There is a certain feeling you get when you are in the 109 a feeling of invincibility!

I am heavily biased towards the 190 however I can't stop looking at the 109 it really is a beauty...
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I made this exact same thread in December and my opinion has barely changed since.

Dora. Always.

And it simply comes down to one word; ergonomics.

Incredible visibility, easy and enjoyable to use, very forgiving and smooth in flight (Especially with rudder), well armed (Although doesn't matter in DCS currently) and she even looks much better.

She is just superior.
At the moment I will always jump in the 190 it is a fascinating aircraft however I really need to learn how to use the gunsight properly if only we had the D-13
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My understanding was that Galland voiced his opinion that the 109 manufacturing should be ceased and replaced with the 190 and Me 262!
According to "The First and the Last", and "The German Aces Speak", that sentiment came later in the war, after the American day-time raids with P-51 support became so prominent.
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