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Old 01-25-2020, 07:55 PM   #1
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Any chance the Mig-29 will be upgraded to a "Study" plane in the future? Just realized there are a lot of US/Western study planes, but no modern (-ish) Russian planes.

Would be sweet.
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Old 01-25-2020, 07:59 PM   #2
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Not a chance ..

currently RazBam has the MiG-23 in development and that will be the most modern Russian fighter available on DCS.

The JF-17 has chinese origin and uses the engine of the MiG-29, but most of its avionics are western, so it isnt really similar to a MiG-29.
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:11 PM   #3
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Not a chance ..

currently RazBam has the MiG-23 in development and that will be the most modern Russian fighter available on DCS.

The JF-17 has chinese origin and uses the engine of the MiG-29, but most of its avionics are western, so it isnt really similar to a MiG-29.
Oh, lame. I was hoping there were some rumors way down in the mill...

Would be nice to get into some Cold War style engagements against the Tomcat, only in a study-plane environment.
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:47 PM   #4
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Hi,


Looks like there won't be any modern study-level planes from Russia, ED seem to have their reasons. But who knows, maybe there will be some in the future with the new focus on naval warfare.

At the moment I'm really flirting with the MiG-21bis though, she's pretty hot, study-level and should be great for Cold War style engagements.
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Old 02-14-2020, 03:46 AM   #5
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This may be my optimism at play, but I wouldn't say "Not a chance". Their statement about newer Russian aircraft only applied to themselves, ED. They've stated before that if a third party developer operating outside of Russia wishes to tackle one, then they weren't going to stop them.



That said it's suspicious that we still haven't seen one yet from the third party devs aside from the fact that NATO aircraft seem to sell better.
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This may be my optimism at play, but I wouldn't say "Not a chance". Their statement about newer Russian aircraft only applied to themselves, ED. They've stated before that if a third party developer operating outside of Russia wishes to tackle one, then they weren't going to stop them.



That said it's suspicious that we still haven't seen one yet from the third party devs aside from the fact that NATO aircraft seem to sell better.
Chizh wrote on the Russian forum a while back that they (ED) could indeed do a non modernised MiG-29 but were doing the F-16 and other (western) aircraft as they would sell better.
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Chizh wrote on the Russian forum a while back that they (ED) could indeed do a non modernised MiG-29 but were doing the F-16 and other (western) aircraft as they would sell better.

Fair enough, a Mig-29A is not a proper opponent against modern F-XXs
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Well why not add older F-16 and F-18 to match a MiG-29 then?
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:44 PM   #9
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Well why not add older F-16 and F-18 to match a MiG-29 then?
I think there is a chance. IIRC Matt Wagner said it's possible they would make some older F-16 like block 30 from mid 1980s when current block 50 will be finished.
Block 30 was even better than block 50 when it comes to acceleration, climb, turn rate having similar GE engine and being half ton lighter but it didn't have many modern gizmos like datalink, GPS guided munitions etc.
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Fair enough, a Mig-29A is not a proper opponent against modern F-XXs

That's not particularly true at all. I reject the very concept that we need to start introducing aircraft to 'balance' sides or to find 'proper matches' for them.

Even if it isn't a proper opponent, it's still a fourth gen aircraft and it still is a very realistic opponent for NATO fourth gen aircraft. There is no reason to 'match' aircraft in our study sim.
The "It sells better" argument seems to be the only real barrier to its inclusion, which is a fair concern but I think undersells how big the Redfor side of DCS is and how many of them would love to have another study sim level Mig.

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