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GGTharos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Marine Cobras field the sidewinder, so it should definitely be part of the armament. possibly aim9 not sure it was ever fielded though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Marine Cobras field the sidewinder, so it should definitely be part of the armament. AWESOME. Those pesky jets trying to come after me now must be careful :) Will also help greatly in an engagement with a KA-50 or other helo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You might find this surprising, but you'll nail another helo (as long as its hovering or moving very slowly) at a longer distance with a hellfire than you would with a sidewinder. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You might find this surprising, but you'll nail another helo (as long as its hovering or moving very slowly) at a longer distance with a hellfire than you would with a sidewinder. I dont find that suprising at all, although wouldn't this also give them a laser warning letting them know I'm targeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Sure could, but you can attack in LOAL mode. It's possible that you may have to range for initial range though. In any case, the sidewinders were used in the escort mission, when escorting a helo like an MH-53 into dangerous territory. It's really not meant to give you confidence or an excuse for A2A combat. The heli way is avoidance. Edited October 14, 2014 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sure could, but you can attack in LOAL mode. It's possible that you may have to range for initial range though. What is LOAL mode, and rather LOBL as well? Edit: is this for Radar hellfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 No, it's for laser hellfires ... it's 'Lock On After Launch' mode. Because the hellfire can take as long at 50 seconds to reach maximum range, you can launch it, then pop up to designate later. Alternatively, someone could buddy lase for you at the right time. You can be sitting there hidden, launching hellfires over a hill while some guy with a laser paints a target. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 No, it's for laser hellfires ... it's 'Lock On After Launch' mode. Because the hellfire can take as long at 50 seconds to reach maximum range, you can launch it, then pop up to designate later. Alternatively, someone could buddy lase for you at the right time. You can be sitting there hidden, launching hellfires over a hill while some guy with a laser paints a target. Gotcha, Thanks. Can't wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 What's up with AGM-65 on the AH-1W, did they use it apart from tests? I hope the DCS AH-1W will have AGM-122 Sidearm, too:thumbup: ..and MAWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The maverick is too heavy for a heli, and it's single-shot on a pylon that can take up to 4 hellfires. And no, no sidearms AFAIK, very few were made and their utility was limited. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBlemmen Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Will the cobra that we are getting also be able to use the type of helllfires that are fire and forget and/or the ones that fly to their target in a indirect way and come down from above? Anyway i cant wait.. i've been wanting hellfires for a long time in DCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The AH-1W uses laser hellfires. They're not fire and forget, but all hellfires use a lofting flight profile. In any case, I'm not part of the team that's going to create this, so anything I say is not terribly reliable :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBlemmen Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The AH-1W uses laser hellfires. They're not fire and forget, but all hellfires use a lofting flight profile. In any case, I'm not part of the team that's going to create this, so anything I say is not terribly reliable :) Okay thanks for the quick reply. I realise the devs probably hasnt said anything about specific weaponry , but given the nature of DCS i'm assuming it will be able to use every , or very close to every weapon it uses in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) The maverick is too heavy for a heli, and it's single-shot on a pylon that can take up to 4 hellfires. And no, no sidearms AFAIK, very few were made and their utility was limited. Hmm, there are about 700 made. For the Maverick, the AH-1 defenitely can use it, I just don't know if it was ever used apart from tests. It would have it's use like the Kh-25 ML on the KA-50 has. Edited October 15, 2014 by schroedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 700 Sidearms, and I believe they were all of most used by the F-8. Likewise, the AGM-65 may have been tested, but it was never an operational weapon. It would have likely required software and hardware modifications to transmit the seeker image into the cockpit, so 'tested' doesn't come anywhere near 'operational capability' as those modifications are likely left out of the operational aircraft. Neither should be available as a loadout for this heli. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot-Nix Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Damn, was hoping for some BF2/3/4 style TV missile dogfights lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdwing Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 So awesome to finally have a confirmation in some form :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Damn, was hoping for some BF2/3/4 style TV missile dogfights lol Minus cool points. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Damn, was hoping for some BF2/3/4 style TV missile dogfights lol No but we can just use sidwinders :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 700 Sidearms, and I believe they were all of most used by the F-8. I might be wrong, but I think you got that the wrong way around. The Sidearm was converted from the AIM-9C (which was a F-8 weapon) into a helicopter borne ARM. As for the Maverick, I think Iranian AH-1J used them operationally, but not the Marines AH-1W as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here is another technical question: Does the AH-1W support aiming the cannon by the pilot and gunner helmets as do the Army AH-1S/F? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Damn, was hoping for some BF2/3/4 style TV missile dogfights lol BF what??? :doh: Helicopter dogfighting: as realistic as a close ship to ship battle between to aircraft carriers... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VIRPIL CM 50 Stick & Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 BF what??? :doh: Helicopter dogfighting: as realistic as a close ship to ship battle between to aircraft carriers... Helicopters can have situations where they engage others, less likely but they don't ignore others and fly by because "not realistic". Have you never shot down a another helicopter in flying a KA-50? I do that often in quick missions as it is easy to cover own ground forces that get engaged by apache. Bad thing just is Vikhr missiles doesn't have the A-A mode modeled so you need couple straight hits or get the tail boom cut off to get helicopter shot down. And some helicopters like Mi-24 under AI control engage even A-10 or Su-25 if you dare to get to range and in good envelope. Too many times I have been shot down with Shturm V missiles fired by Mi-24 when flying A-10C as it is so slow. So getting helicopters away is almost priority mission to get close ground forces they protect. With KA-50/Su-25T the benefit is to have so many missiles that has greater range to keep distance to target and supporting forces. And when flying in urban area, when ground forces call helicopter support, you are dueling between buildings with them. And then you use cannon as it is faster to use than missile if you are not chasing a another. And those moments AH-1W will have the benefit for gunner and more freely turning gutling gun than KA-50 cannon that has limited turning and you need to manage both, flying and firing if you need to search target too. The battlefield game idea of dueling is now laughable by distances but it is still very possible situation. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) 700 Sidearms, and I believe they were all of most used by the F-8. Likewise, the AGM-65 may have been tested, but it was never an operational weapon. It would have likely required software and hardware modifications to transmit the seeker image into the cockpit, so 'tested' doesn't come anywhere near 'operational capability' as those modifications are likely left out of the operational aircraft. Neither should be available as a loadout for this heli. The AGM-122 came into service in the mid/late 80s and even 1990 the USMC received new ones, at this time the F-8 Crusader was already retired and the Ah-1 and the AV-8B were the only aircrafts in USMC inventory which could use the AGM-122. I don't think an Ah-1 uses an "optical" version of the AGM-65. I am sure they carried the C or E variant which both are laser guided like Hellfires. Edited October 15, 2014 by schroedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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