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You might find this surprising, but you'll nail another helo (as long as its hovering or moving very slowly) at a longer distance with a hellfire than you would with a sidewinder.

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You might find this surprising, but you'll nail another helo (as long as its hovering or moving very slowly) at a longer distance with a hellfire than you would with a sidewinder.

 

I dont find that suprising at all, although wouldn't this also give them a laser warning letting them know I'm targeting?

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Sure could, but you can attack in LOAL mode. It's possible that you may have to range for initial range though.

 

In any case, the sidewinders were used in the escort mission, when escorting a helo like an MH-53 into dangerous territory. It's really not meant to give you confidence or an excuse for A2A combat. The heli way is avoidance.


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No, it's for laser hellfires ... it's 'Lock On After Launch' mode.

 

Because the hellfire can take as long at 50 seconds to reach maximum range, you can launch it, then pop up to designate later.

 

Alternatively, someone could buddy lase for you at the right time. You can be sitting there hidden, launching hellfires over a hill while some guy with a laser paints a target.

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No, it's for laser hellfires ... it's 'Lock On After Launch' mode.

 

Because the hellfire can take as long at 50 seconds to reach maximum range, you can launch it, then pop up to designate later.

 

Alternatively, someone could buddy lase for you at the right time. You can be sitting there hidden, launching hellfires over a hill while some guy with a laser paints a target.

 

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The maverick is too heavy for a heli, and it's single-shot on a pylon that can take up to 4 hellfires.

 

And no, no sidearms AFAIK, very few were made and their utility was limited.

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Will the cobra that we are getting also be able to use the type of helllfires that are fire and forget and/or the ones that fly to their target in a indirect way and come down from above? Anyway i cant wait.. i've been wanting hellfires for a long time in DCS

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The AH-1W uses laser hellfires. They're not fire and forget, but all hellfires use a lofting flight profile.

 

In any case, I'm not part of the team that's going to create this, so anything I say is not terribly reliable :)

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The AH-1W uses laser hellfires. They're not fire and forget, but all hellfires use a lofting flight profile.

 

In any case, I'm not part of the team that's going to create this, so anything I say is not terribly reliable :)

 

Okay thanks for the quick reply. I realise the devs probably hasnt said anything about specific weaponry , but given the nature of DCS i'm assuming it will be able to use every , or very close to every weapon it uses in real life.

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The maverick is too heavy for a heli, and it's single-shot on a pylon that can take up to 4 hellfires.

 

And no, no sidearms AFAIK, very few were made and their utility was limited.

 

Hmm, there are about 700 made.

For the Maverick, the AH-1 defenitely can use it, I just don't know if it was ever used apart from tests. It would have it's use like the Kh-25 ML on the KA-50 has.

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700 Sidearms, and I believe they were all of most used by the F-8.

 

Likewise, the AGM-65 may have been tested, but it was never an operational weapon. It would have likely required software and hardware modifications to transmit the seeker image into the cockpit, so 'tested' doesn't come anywhere near 'operational capability' as those modifications are likely left out of the operational aircraft.

 

Neither should be available as a loadout for this heli.

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Damn, was hoping for some BF2/3/4 style TV missile dogfights lol

 

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700 Sidearms, and I believe they were all of most used by the F-8.

 

I might be wrong, but I think you got that the wrong way around. The Sidearm was converted from the AIM-9C (which was a F-8 weapon) into a helicopter borne ARM.

 

 

As for the Maverick, I think Iranian AH-1J used them operationally, but not the Marines AH-1W as far as I know.

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Damn, was hoping for some BF2/3/4 style TV missile dogfights lol

BF what??? :doh:

Helicopter dogfighting: as realistic as a close ship to ship battle between to aircraft carriers...

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BF what??? :doh:

Helicopter dogfighting: as realistic as a close ship to ship battle between to aircraft carriers...

Helicopters can have situations where they engage others, less likely but they don't ignore others and fly by because "not realistic".

 

Have you never shot down a another helicopter in flying a KA-50?

 

I do that often in quick missions as it is easy to cover own ground forces that get engaged by apache. Bad thing just is Vikhr missiles doesn't have the A-A mode modeled so you need couple straight hits or get the tail boom cut off to get helicopter shot down.

 

And some helicopters like Mi-24 under AI control engage even A-10 or Su-25 if you dare to get to range and in good envelope. Too many times I have been shot down with Shturm V missiles fired by Mi-24 when flying A-10C as it is so slow. So getting helicopters away is almost priority mission to get close ground forces they protect.

 

With KA-50/Su-25T the benefit is to have so many missiles that has greater range to keep distance to target and supporting forces.

 

And when flying in urban area, when ground forces call helicopter support, you are dueling between buildings with them. And then you use cannon as it is faster to use than missile if you are not chasing a another. And those moments AH-1W will have the benefit for gunner and more freely turning gutling gun than KA-50 cannon that has limited turning and you need to manage both, flying and firing if you need to search target too.

 

The battlefield game idea of dueling is now laughable by distances but it is still very possible situation.

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700 Sidearms, and I believe they were all of most used by the F-8.

 

Likewise, the AGM-65 may have been tested, but it was never an operational weapon. It would have likely required software and hardware modifications to transmit the seeker image into the cockpit, so 'tested' doesn't come anywhere near 'operational capability' as those modifications are likely left out of the operational aircraft.

 

Neither should be available as a loadout for this heli.

 

The AGM-122 came into service in the mid/late 80s and even 1990 the USMC received new ones, at this time the F-8 Crusader was already retired and the Ah-1 and the AV-8B were the only aircrafts in USMC inventory which could use the AGM-122.

I don't think an Ah-1 uses an "optical" version of the AGM-65. I am sure they carried the C or E variant which both are laser guided like Hellfires.


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