Israeli f-16 shot down

jet crashed in Israeli territory and pilot is safe they say.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/israeli-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-syrian-fire-says-military

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/red-alert-sirens-sound-heavy-aerial-activity-in-northern-israel-1.5806508

For those that can't be bothered following the links:

From Haaretz:

Israeli army said Saturday morning that it intercepted an Iranian drone launched from Syria into Israeli territory. In response to the provocation, the IDF attacked Iranian targets in Syria.

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According to the Israeli army, Syrian anti-aircraft missiles targeted an Israeli F-16, prompting the pilots to eject. The plane went down in northern Israel. The two pilots were taken to the hospital in stable condition.

IDF Spokesperson Brigadier General Ronen Manelis said "We identified an Iranian drone UAV which took off from Syrian territory. The drone was identified by IAF systems and was downed by an IAF helicopter. The Iranian drone fell in our territory and is in our possession."

"As part of the country's defenses, sirens were activated but there was no danger for the residents of Beit She'an. It was decided to attack the trailer from which the Iranians launched the UAV. This was a surgical action deep in Syria, target destroyed."

"This is a serious Iranian attack on Israeli territory. Iran is dragging the region into a situation in which it doesn't know how it will end. We are prepared for a variety of incidents...whoever is responsible for this incident is the one who will pay the price."

Some of this seems internally contradictory (there was no danger for the residents of Beit She'an vs This is a serious Iranian attack on Israeli territory, but it is what it is.

Israeli deaths 0

Syrian dead > 0

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Some of this seems internally contradictory (there was no danger for the residents of Beit She'an vs This is a serious Iranian attack on Israeli territory, but it is what it is.

 

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:huh: Can't disagree more.

Israeli deaths 0

Unconfirmed reports one pilot died from his injuries in hospital. Awaiting official word.

https://theaviationist.com/2018/02/10/israeli-f-16i-sufa-crashes-after-coming-under-massive-anti-aircraft-fire-from-syrian-air-defenses/

So apparently an Apache shot down an unmaned aircraft. That's some impressive accuracy on that gun!

Any word one what brought down the F-16, or the pilots? Reddit's r/combat footage is back and forth between AAA or SA-6, and the pilots safe or one seriously injured, or one dead.

Any word one what brought down the F-16, or the pilots? Reddit's r/combat footage is back and forth between AAA or SA-6, and the pilots safe or one seriously injured, or one dead.

"Reports state that various missiles were involved in the Syrian anti-air onslaught, in which between a dozen and two dozen SAMs were fired. Cold War vintage SA-5 Gammon and SA-3 Goa missiles are said to have been included in the salvo, both of which the Assad regime has many of and has fired repeatedly towards IAF aircraft during raids over the country that have taken place over the years, with the frequency of those strikes having increased dramatically in recent months. The SA-17 Grizzly road-mobile SAM system—a modernized version of the SA-11 Buk—is also said to have been involved. Regardless of the type of missile Syria used to down the F-16, this is the first time one had found its mark on an Israeli jet. "

More info and photos

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/962318194122936321

Second Hit:

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Update: 9:20am PST—

Al Arabiya is reporting that an Israeli F-15 was also hit in the SAM barrage, but that jet was able to make an emergency landing"

Wow, 12-24 SAMs launched and only one confirmed, plus one possible, hit.

Any word one what brought down the F-16, or the pilots? Reddit's r/combat footage is back and forth between AAA or SA-6, and the pilots safe or one seriously injured, or one dead.

From Al Jazeera:

Matches the second stage of a V-400:

Wow, 12-24 SAMs launched and only one confirmed, plus one possible, hit.

I've just been back looking & I can't find a link to that - where did it say 12 launches ?

I've just been back looking & I can't find a link to that - where did it say 12 launches ?

The article linked in Post 7 said between one and two dozen missiles were launched.

The article linked in Post 7 said between one and two dozen missiles were launched.

LOL :-)

... & 12 is the midpoint ???

Personally, I'd read between one and two dozen missiles were launched as "We have absolutely no information, and so we're making up a wide bracket..."

(Honestly - think of it as gunshots. If your neighbour said he heard the intruder's gunshots that killed his wife, and he told the police that he might have heard 1 shot - or maybe as many as 24... don't you think he's spending the night in cuffs in a cell ?)

{PS - Twitter must be presenting us with different feeds, because there's nothing now, or before, in the link in Post 7 that says that when I look at it. What does it actually say in the bit you see ?}

If they had no information then they would just say "many missiles were launched"....

One pilot died from his injuries in hospital.

Nope.

According to hospital officials-

One will be released today / tomorrow.

the other is recovering from surgery and is stable and expected to recover from what seems like shrapnel injuries.

Still not known for certain yet , but it seems they ejected due to the injury of the pilot and not the damage to plane.

If they had no information then they would just say "many missiles were launched"....

I'm a bit drunk, so maybe I'm missing something.

As far as I can see, if you have no information about how many missiles were launched, then the only reason to say that "many missiles were launched" is to try to denigrate the Syrians efforts to defend themselves.

The only evidence I've seen so far is that the number of missiles launched is >= 1.

I'm a bit drunk, so maybe I'm missing something.

 

As far as I can see, if you have no information about how many missiles were launched, then the only reason to say that "many missiles were launched" is to try to denigrate the Syrians efforts to defend themselves.

 

The only evidence I've seen so far is that the number of missiles launched is >= 1.

Re-read post 7. It claims between a (=one) dozen and two dozen launches, so 12-24.

Nope.

 

According to hospital officials-

One will be released today / tomorrow.

 

the other is recovering from surgery and is stable and expected to recover from what seems like shrapnel injuries.

 

Still not known for certain yet , but it seems they ejected due to the injury of the pilot and not the damage to plane.

Ok, hope that's correct. Will edit my post as I cant find the source anymore.

https://theaviationist.com/2018/02/10/israeli-f-16i-sufa-crashes-after-coming-under-massive-anti-aircraft-fire-from-syrian-air-defenses/

 

So apparently an Apache shot down an unmaned aircraft. That's some impressive accuracy on that gun!

Seems like a Hellfire hit to me.

https://theaviationist.com/2018/02/10/israeli-f-16i-sufa-crashes-after-coming-under-massive-anti-aircraft-fire-from-syrian-air-defenses/

 

So apparently an Apache shot down an unmaned aircraft. That's some impressive accuracy on that gun!

Could have used a Hellfire. Hellfires have been used A2A on drones before.

Did the AA/SAM get taken out by the Israelis?

Another article with some good information: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18389/flurry-of-aircraft-shoot-downs-and-counter-strikes-erupt-across-israel-and-syria?iid=sr-link1

Russia and Syria have linked their air defense networks in Syria, so the downing of the jet might be a result of the increased sensor capability.

Seems like a Hellfire hit to me.

Could have used a Hellfire. Hellfires have been used A2A on drones before.

Good spot, thanks! Hellfire in A-A use, that's interesting.

Wow, 12-24 SAMs launched and only one confirmed, plus one possible, hit.

Does this surprise you? During both Gulf Wars, SAM's were being launched in huge numbers, with very little Ground to Air Kills, most of the Coalition losses for Desert Storm to SAM's and AAA were due to them operating within the missiles envelope, in Iraqi Freedom, the mission planners were a lot smarter.

The IDF would have had their ECW aircraft jamming etc, without knowing the full details, this could have just been a lucky shot.

What's more interesting to me is that, the much vaunted S-300 systems the Russians claim they had fully operational in Syria, wasn't used/activated/ fired towards the IDF Strike packet.

Things in the Region are going to get very interesting indeed.

Everyone involved has their own account of the event and it will morph many times to suit their needs. Can't trust witness accounts, definitely not the Gov or MSM neither pictures of pieces and parts. Regardless of what really happened "never let a crisis go to waste" is in full effect.

What's more interesting to me is that, the much vaunted S-300 systems the Russians claim they had fully operational in Syria, wasn't used/activated/ fired towards the IDF Strike packet.

They have agreements to not interfere with each other.