Cannons underpowered?

Two8nine · 11-10-2019, 02:26 AM

Hi all, flown the 15 quite a bit recently, and currently making my way through the Museum Relic campaign.

Really enjoying it, but in a lot of cases I find myself wondering how on earth a target survived.

For example, in the mission with the apache helicopters by the dam, I finished the mission with 0 score, despite (according to the mission log) scoring more than a dozen hits on one apache with the 37mm alone, plus tons of 23mm hits. Also scored a very near hit with the bombs on the same unit. Feel like not many planes should be able to take that kind of punishment.

Very next mission it's the same thing, dumped nearly my entire ammo stock into one Su25 with majority hitting before it went down. Next one I got 5 hits in with the 37mm and it just kept going. (Despite being visibly on fire) Am I wrong in thinking a few 37mm rounds would ruin the day of most aircraft, regardless of era? Earlier in the camp I had no issue with a-10's, which would go down with 1-3 hits -- so was curious if something changed in a recent patch?

Paradox · 11-10-2019, 06:10 AM

Helicopters seem freaking immortal in DCS. It's not just the Apache.

On most targets the 37mm does pretty well. one or two hits will bring down all aircraft except the Viggen in my experience. Not shot at most of the newer releases though

msalama · 11-14-2019, 04:37 AM

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It's not just the Apache.

Depends. I shot down an AI insurgent Hip with just 2 short bursts from the L-39ZA's 23mm the other day and she literally went to pieces after the second burst. Maybe there's something wrong with the 15's cannons because the Albie's guns seem to work?

AeriaGloria · 11-14-2019, 04:38 AM

Try shooting a Chinook

Boris · 11-18-2019, 11:56 AM

The helicopter damage models have been broken for many years.

I was very annoyed with it a few years ago, when in the Ka-50 campaign, I would fail to down Mi-24s with a difficult Vikhr shot, only to be subsequently killed by said Mi-24.

I made a bug report and provided tracks in test conditions, shooting at hovering helicopters, some needing two or more Vikhrs to go down.

Seems not much has changed on this front.

MacEwan · 11-18-2019, 02:24 PM

Yeah it seems the problem lies more with the damage models

Sephyrius · 11-19-2019, 01:04 PM

Funny thing is that the player-controlled helis tend to drop like bricks from being struck by just a miniscule amount of infantry small arms fire, it's even worse than getting hit by tracers from vehicles.

The damage model is definitely bad.

11-10-2019, 02:26 AM	#1
Two8nine Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 17	Cannons underpowered? Hi all, flown the 15 quite a bit recently, and currently making my way through the Museum Relic campaign. Really enjoying it, but in a lot of cases I find myself wondering how on earth a target survived. For example, in the mission with the apache helicopters by the dam, I finished the mission with 0 score, despite (according to the mission log) scoring more than a dozen hits on one apache with the 37mm alone, plus tons of 23mm hits. Also scored a very near hit with the bombs on the same unit. Feel like not many planes should be able to take that kind of punishment. Very next mission it's the same thing, dumped nearly my entire ammo stock into one Su25 with majority hitting before it went down. Next one I got 5 hits in with the 37mm and it just kept going. (Despite being visibly on fire) Am I wrong in thinking a few 37mm rounds would ruin the day of most aircraft, regardless of era? Earlier in the camp I had no issue with a-10's, which would go down with 1-3 hits -- so was curious if something changed in a recent patch?

11-18-2019, 11:56 AM	#5
Boris Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,372	The helicopter damage models have been broken for many years. I was very annoyed with it a few years ago, when in the Ka-50 campaign, I would fail to down Mi-24s with a difficult Vikhr shot, only to be subsequently killed by said Mi-24. I made a bug report and provided tracks in test conditions, shooting at hovering helicopters, some needing two or more Vikhrs to go down. Seems not much has changed on this front. __________________ PC Specs / Hardware: MSI z370 Gaming Plus Mainboard, Intel 8700k @ 5GHz, MSI Sea Hawk 2080 Ti @ 2100MHz, 32GB 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM Displays: Philips BDM4065UC 60Hz 4K UHD Screen, Pimax 5k+ Controllers / Peripherals: VPC MongoosT-50, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, modded MS FFB2/CH Combatstick, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Gametrix JetSeat OS: Windows 10 Home Creator's Update

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11-10-2019, 06:10 AM	#2
Paradox Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The British Establishment Posts: 847	Helicopters seem freaking immortal in DCS. It's not just the Apache. On most targets the 37mm does pretty well. one or two hits will bring down all aircraft except the Viggen in my experience. Not shot at most of the newer releases though

11-14-2019, 04:38 AM	#4
AeriaGloria Senior Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: LA Posts: 1,210	Try shooting a Chinook

11-18-2019, 02:24 PM	#6
MacEwan Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 211	Yeah it seems the problem lies more with the damage models

11-19-2019, 01:04 PM	#7
Sephyrius Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 233	Funny thing is that the player-controlled helis tend to drop like bricks from being struck by just a miniscule amount of infantry small arms fire, it's even worse than getting hit by tracers from vehicles. The damage model is definitely bad.