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Old 01-23-2020, 04:25 PM   #11
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Harlikwin, the heatblur aim 7s were tested extensively and shown to have degraded in performance down to 10% success rate, and heatblur acknowledged this. Ed and heatblur communicated and this got patched. What are you talking about?
Just some peoples unrealistic expectations of missile range/performance. The bro that yeeted them at me swore up and down the phoneix was broken after that.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:29 PM   #12
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Oh. Well I dunno about the 54s. Heatblur is reworking them this year. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. *shrug* just that the op was asking about aim 7s.
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Old 01-23-2020, 11:54 PM   #13
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Just some peoples unrealistic expectations of missile range/performance.
It's rather telling that the Sea Sparrow has a published max range of 10 nautical miles, it's virtually the same missile fired from zero speed at sea level.
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It's rather telling that the Sea Sparrow has a published max range of 10 nautical miles, it's virtually the same missile fired from zero speed at sea level.
The thing is that public specifications are generally firing range.
It doesn't tell you interception range
So if it's firing range against missile coming in straight at you at M0.9, it isn't the same thing than a fighter making evasive maneuvers.
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The thing is that public specifications are generally firing range.
It doesn't tell you interception range
So if it's firing range against missile coming in straight at you at M0.9, it isn't the same thing than a fighter making evasive maneuvers.
I'm sure it might be for a traget that is coming hot at high speed, like an ASM or something like that.

When fired at a relative 0 or negative speed target that you are chasing, then I would assume its alot less.
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ED missiles (120, R-27, R77, AIM-7) all feel like they're flying through peanut butter... there have been so many posts on this and the main issue is the drag coefficients... they just don't fly like the unclassified data and charts suggest they should. Not even close... and this is especially noticeable when they pull g's during the final phase of guidance... they bleed so much energy it's insane. That's why the AIM-7 misses so much, it just runs out of energy right when it needs it (the same is true of the F-18, btw, it bleeds way too much energy in turns)

I truly hope the HB team can have some influence over the flight dynamics and guidance of AIM-7s... because it's generally useless in combat right now. Less than 10% of mine connect when fired at 10 miles headon with bandits... It's not even worth carrying them.

Just look at the flight profile of a DCS JF-17 CHAMRAAM vs a 120C... it's appauling... and they're supposed to be pretty close in performance.

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Just look at the flight profile of a DCS JF-17 CHAMRAAM vs a 120C... it's appauling... and they're supposed to be pretty close in performance.
The SD10 has a variable thrust 2 stage motor (sustainer/terminal motor). So... Not really "close"...
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The SD10 has a variable thrust 2 stage motor (sustainer/terminal motor). So... Not really "close"...
I would be interested by your source about SD10, it's hard to find.

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I would be interested by your source about SD10, it's hard to find.

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From what I can find, the SD-10's range, which I'm assuming is max performance at altitude against headon bandits, is around 60 miles, and the AIM-120C is around 55 miles... which is fairly "close"when comparing them against eachother... (we all know that no AIM-120C is going 55 miles in DCS)

Let's just say for the sake of argument, that according to the unclassified info i have, the SD-10 has about 10% more range than a 120C fired in exactly the same parameters (altiuted, aspect, etc)... if you have other information, i'd love to see it... my point is that in DCS, the SD-10 is WAAAAAY more than 10% longer range than the 120C (all things being equal). That's what i mean by "not even close".

NOw, i could be completely wrong about the comparison of the 2, but 1.16 does make it difficult to discuss this...

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