Miasma Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 That is a great mini doc. Just imagine a Tornado in DCS guys how amazing it would be. I would love a GR4 we are more likely it get a GR1 but will probably get neither which is a real shame : ( Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 What they did in desert storm was have one carry the TIALD Pod and laze for the other tornados carrying paveways the ability to do both at the same time wasnt added till after the war. The Buccs lazed for the Tonkas The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Wikipedia says that they also had Tornados lazing as well if it is to be believed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIALD Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Maverick Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Not in GW1, as Joey mentioned the Buccaneer was brought out to laze for the GR1s. GR4s did both on their own. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 104th Phoenix Wing Commander / Total Poser / Elitist / Hero / Chad www.104thPhoenix.com www.facebook.com/104thPhoenix My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 ;3896502']Not in GW1' date=' as Joey mentioned the Buccaneer was brought out to laze for the GR1s. GR4s did both on their own.[/quote'] Not true. RAF GR1s flew 72 TIALD sorties during GW1. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Wikipedia said some Tornados lazed and the photo above says it all. "Ferranti Defence Systems started development of the TIALD pod in the late 1980s. The 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the resulting Gulf War saw the TIALD pod rushed into service. In the Gulf War several modified Panavia Tornados and some Blackburn Buccaneers laser designated for unmodified Tornados which carried LGBs. The Buccaneers carried the U.S. Pave Spike designator, which was limited to daylight use." Edited April 29, 2019 by Miasma additional qoute Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Maverick Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 I stand corrected, everyday is a school day! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 104th Phoenix Wing Commander / Total Poser / Elitist / Hero / Chad www.104thPhoenix.com www.facebook.com/104thPhoenix My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 There isnt an awful lot of information out there, I only started looking in to it when somebody mentioned that GR1's had the ability to carry TIALD's From the information I found it mentioned that they did not have the ability to self laze during the gulf war and that this was an upgrade that came later but before the GR4 revision. Cant find the source but will keep searching. Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Operations - the Tornado/TIALD and Buccaneer/Pave Spike The Gulf War was ill timed from the RAF's perspective, as its new TIALD targeting pods for the Tornado GR.1 were still in development. The RAF deployed a mixed force of 42 GR.1s and 6 GR.1As, from squadrons based at Laarbruch, Bruggen, Marham and Honnington (2, 4, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 27, 31 and 617 Sqns), supported later by 12 Buccaneer S.2Bs of 12 and 208 Sqns. The Tornados commenced the campaign with counterair and interdiction strikes at night/low level, but by the beginning of February shifted to daylight interdiction of bridges with designator support from the geriatric Buccaneer. The Buccaneers are fitted with the now obsolete AVQ-23E Pave Spike, an early seventies follow-on to the Pave Knife. The Pave Spike is a daylight system with TV and designator boresighted in a turret, housed in a pod. Typical raids involved sections of four 'bomber' Tornados supported by a pair of 'designator' Buccaneers, dropping 1,000 lb LGBs from level formation flight at medium altitudes, above AAA. These raids saw the destruction of no less than 24 bridges for 169 LGBs and fifteen airfields/HAS installations. As the campaign progressed, the Buccaneers would loiter after the Tornados had dropped and departed, designating targets for attack with their own LGBs, a total of 48 were so delivered. Subsequently, a pair of GEC-Ferranti TIALD (thermal imaging airborne laser designator) pods were deployed and used in combat. These were trials units, one of which was removed from a testbed aircraft and fitted to hurriedly wired/modified Tornados, of which 5 were adapted. The crash program saw the pods and aircraft declared operational on the 6th February, after a major effort in preceding weeks by GEC-Ferranti with software support by EASAMS. Named 'Sandra' and 'Tracy', the two pods were rapidly pressed into action. The first raid saw a section of 4 'bomber' Tornados led by a pair of TIALD equipped aircraft attack the H3 airfield with 1,000 lb Paveways. While one of the pods malfunctioned due stabilisation problems, the other successfully designated for all aircraft in the strike. Thereafter the two pods worked overtime on airfield, bridge and bunker interdiction missions, with a total of 72 sorties flown and 23 aborted. The most notable raid was probably a hit on a large ammunition store at Ubaydah al bin Jarrah, which resulted in a fireball and smoke cloud rising to 15,000 ft. While clearance to carry the US GBU-10/Mk.84 was received late in the campaign, hostilities ceased before the weapon could be used. https://www.ausairpower.net/TE-PGM-ODS-92.html Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Not true. RAF GR1s flew 72 TIALD sorties during GW1. That nose art though. Quick google. Donna Ewin was a 80's glamour model. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 haha, I couldn't do any better but that artist did NOT do her justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 yeah the artist did a terrible job haha Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I’d rather see a compliment of other naval aircraft to the 14 and 18 before going off on a tangent. Tornado was used by the German Navy :thumbup: 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 The german navy livieries are awesome, however being british I hope if we ever got a Tornado it would be a british variant. just me being Biased haaha Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) The german navy livieries are awesome, however being british I hope if we ever got a Tornado it would be a british variant. just me being Biased haaha If we ever get a Tornado for DCS it will probably be the old Cold War version, which is very similar across all 4 original users (Royal Air Force, German Air Force, German Navy, Italian Air Force) with only one or two very minor differences. The differences came later when the users upgraded their Tornados independently and became very big. Edited May 3, 2019 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagHond Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Agree with you, it sounds a reasonable plan with realistic perspectives. Let's only hope it will be released one day! And possibly soon, of course. With best regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Just tucking this in here real quick. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 German Tornados low level flying in South Africa: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananabrai Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) The GR.4 is the pinnacle? The GR.4 was put into service in the 90s. I don't know how much it got improved since then. :dunno: The german ASSTA 3.1 on the other hand has been put into service in 2016 and has all new avionics: - Please not the 3.1. They gave away so much of the Tornados abilities for sake of having fancy things... It looks shinier than it is. And most of the advantages of ASSTA upgrades would not even be modeled properly in DCS, I just mention RWR/RWE and DAC (Defensive Aids Computer). The GR.4 really is a good bird. The germans just waited to long. I wont mention how good our birds are in comparison to the GR.4. - ASSTA 2 never rolled out, at least in Germany. Itilians had/have a variation of ASSTA 2 in their birds, if I'm correct. - My opinion: A late GR.1 would give us the most "bang for the bug" -> ALARM, possibly even with the second set of stub-pylons, option on the GR.1B wiring offers Sea Eagle, TIALD, GBUs, JP233, fin fuel and other unguided stuff. From the book "Tornado GR1 - An operational history" I remember pictures where they carried TIALD and GBU's. The had Jag's and Bucc's LASEing for them in the beginning, but they did it them selves later on. They would however have a dedicated TIALD element, for operational reasons. Was easier for them to orbit and let other birds go in and drop the thing. I'll look that up again. Edited May 9, 2019 by Bananabrai Alias in Discord: Mailman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Fyi the latest fighter pilot podcast is with an ex tornado pilot. Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F900EX Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I wonder if Heatblur will at least confirm they are looking at the Tornado as a possible DCS aircraft...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I wonder if Heatblur will at least confirm they are looking at the Tornado as a possible DCS aircraft...:) Please. I don't ask for much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miasma Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 It would finally all shut us lot up for 5 minutes. Royal Navy Tomcat skin now live: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=miasma&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagHond Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 It would finally all shut us lot up for 5 minutes. Agree. If not less, of course. :lol: With best regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F900EX Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Come on Heatblur you know you want to tell us at the very least your looking into it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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