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Old 02-08-2019, 12:37 AM   #31
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Know what the easiest sign of a bad craftsman is? He's the one that blames the tools and not himself.

Sure, the Tiger doesn't have all the latest bells and whistles like the 9X, 120's and whatnots, but it can still be a very nasty surprise to anyone fighting it. I've seen many cocky pilots in both the Hornet and Flankers eat it bigtime because they underestimated the little jet that could (and can).

The correct tactic is half the fight, just as using the correct tool is half the job. Know your aircraft, know your tactics and know your enemy, and you'll come out on top more often than not.
yup tell that to Syrian pilots who got shot down en masse in their Mig21 and Mig23's ( 85 aircraft shot down) when propped against Israeli piloted Eagles and Vipers back in 1982. All within in a single day mind you.

i can already anticpate the response "Oh its not that thier poor technology, its because they were poorly trained" OK fine lets use other examples: veteran USAF F15 pilots ( even those cross trained in F22) facing off in red flag against F22 Raptors being totally helpless never knowing what hit them, or similarly to the REd flag Aggressor F16 pilots who got "massacred" by newly minted F35 pilots ( 20-1 kill ratio)

The F5 is really a inexpensive lightweight tactical fighter from cold war time period where it was expected to go up against the likes of the aircraft like the Mig21, ( that in fact contemporary balance was one of BST stated reason for being added) and not be expected to have any real shot against Information Networked 4th gen spamrammers and / or those with armed with HOBS IR missiles. Sure you get kills every now and then ( after all not everyone flying 4th gen has a comparable virtual of skill to a real life contemporary pilot of an aircraft ), but there comes a point where there is such a huge technological leap that you cant blame the pilot for not being able to come out on top most of the time.
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:49 PM   #32
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Fair point, but with the stuff we'll have in DCS for the foreseeable future, the F-5 is going to be viable. If it can compete with Eagles, Hornets, Mirage and Flankers when flown very well, you're already hanging with the most capable A2A designs DCS will have for some time.

For now, we don't need to worry about Raptors running 40:0 KDR's on public servers.
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Old 02-10-2019, 04:37 PM   #33
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For me the real question is... WHEN WE'LL GET THE LEAFLEET BOMBS???? ... i want to plaster the enemy with propaganda
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:32 PM   #34
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Fair point, but with the stuff we'll have in DCS for the foreseeable future, the F-5 is going to be viable. If it can compete with Eagles, Hornets, Mirage and Flankers when flown very well, you're already hanging with the most capable A2A designs DCS will have for some time.

For now, we don't need to worry about Raptors running 40:0 KDR's on public servers.

yes the F5 is very dangerous and competitive... IN cold war servers where aircraft types are limited largely to 3rd generation ( IE Mig21's)

Just because once in a while good players manage to bag some green singleton Eagle or Hornet driver doesn't mean its a competitive aircraft, (especially not if using "air quake" which aren't realistic setups and more akin to the sort of environments found in arcade games like War Blunder or WOW. ) flying blind and asymmetrically against the most potent fighters out there. It should also be taken into consideration that some of its opponents its facing are EA aircraft that aren't as potent as they should because they lack many advanced function. performance gap will be even wider, and its only going to get even tougher for the vintage aircraft as SA/ datalinking features get gradually added, and advanced radar modes ( IE TWS, NTCR etc) are included for The Hornet, contemporary features that will be also present on the future Viper module.



Its RL service history would be considered at best a "Draw" when it was pitted against Mig21 and Mig23's. ( IRan iraq war). USAF ceased using it for aggressor training in 1990. and instead used F16's to simulate Mig29's for a more relevant and more capable threat, and to an extent the USN is also been using older HOrnets as Fulcrum stand ins rather than using an entire fleet of F5's, although it should be noted that the Navys Tigers are F5N's which are not the exact same F5E's we are accustomed to in DCS ( new radar, Mulifunction display, INS & GPS navigation, digital radios)
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:33 PM   #35
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It can't. You're literally relying on poorly performing pilots as opponents in order to 'compete'.

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Old 02-13-2019, 08:27 PM   #36
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how silly
the loser is always poorly performing

that's why he loses

trying to attack his argument through that avenue is a bad idea. a level playing field amounts to nothing more than a fool's game of lots, why would you want that?
tactics are exactly for forcing the enemy to become poor performers through denial of information and position. cheap wins against poor performers is desirable.

your defense of technology forces you to abandon the validity of tactics when they should be complimentary. what you want to say is that the technological edge allows you even more ways to drive in cheap wins.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:38 PM   #37
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No, what I want to say is that the F-5 is not competitive.

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what you want to say is that the technological edge allows you even more ways to drive in cheap wins.
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