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Looks like they are renaming Zen+ into Zen2 (previously the later was to herald the 7nm process in 2019).

 

Those of us in AM4 are candidates for huge upgrades at cheap prices (we need full official confirmation in addition to the multiple reports suggesting this).

 

In essence: 10 and 12 cores @ 4Ghz+ and 5.1 XFR on the mainstream for prices around 400-500$

 

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WHAAAAAAAAAAAT TF !!!!!!!!!!

 

I bought the WRONG CPU !

 

Anyone ? 8700K ? 5.2G certified by Bit ??

 

A N Y O N E ??

 

Intel is going to have a rough stand if 5.1G out of the box is real !!

 

God damn, this is good news :doh:

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THIS is why I bought a Ryzen, despite not being the current single core champ and despite the memory issues and growing pains.

 

I knew a brand new core like this would have so much room to improve, and that AM4 was going to stick around. Here’s hoping the rumours are true and my choice bears fruit.

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Perhaps, it's just the rumour mill but it's fun :D

 

Last year they got most things true. One exception was that french magazine claiming to know the first gen Zen would reach 5Ghz, which was immediately dismissed by most sites.

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We all know it's fake, but it's a nice one .)

 

No current AM4 board that I know would have enough juice on its VRMs to power a 12-core CPU at 5GHz if its made in 14nm, from GF !

 

GF is the main obstacle in higher speeds atm, once they get their stuff right the cores can run faster.

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We all know it's fake, but it's a nice one .)

 

No current AM4 board that I know would have enough juice on its VRMs to power a 12-core CPU at 5GHz if its made in 14nm, from GF !

 

GF is the main obstacle in higher speeds atm, once they get their stuff right the cores can run faster.

 

It will be GF still, but 12nm LP node this time. Ryzen 7 in february, ryzen 5 and 3 lines in march/april. With Vulkan api slowly dissolving the old closed circle(jerk) of intel-nvidia-microsoft, I would go for more cores and fat cache personally.

 

Edit: Also there will be new mobos, new chipsets - supposedly to address some early caveats of 1st gen ryzens, promising higher clocks, stability and better memory support (again, higher clocks, tighter timings). We will see how it pans out, but honestly, I would say we can look for ~4.5ghz clocks perhaps across all cores. I don't think 5ghz and above will be possible, and if so, only on one core cluster, or 1-2 cores even (for oldschool singlethread stuff). Ryzen 3rd gen in 2019 should be 7nm node though, which is interesting too. Just my 2cents here.


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So unlucky, I rarely make these posts, it had to be fake :D oh well.

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Haha, nothing happened and you stirred the pot a lot !

 

Well Done ;)

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I've seen these rumors on various youtube channels too. But I'd be genuinely shocked if they hit those clocks and core count. I moved from a 1600x to an 8700k because VR in DCS is unplayable at 4.0 GHz on either Ryzen or Intel and I really don't think Ryzen will hit above 4.5 GHz in the next iteration. A 25% clock speed bump is an awful lot and it isn't like Intel chips where the stock clock is 3.5 GHz but it will hit 4.5GHz while also reducing voltage and overall power draw. My 1600x had a 4.0 GHz single core boost, and it maxed out at 4.0 GHz all cores all the time at the lower quoted max safe voltage (1.375v, LLC off).

 

Ryzen is moving to a smaller process, but it is only a minor shrink, not a huge one. Combined with some assorted improvements, I think 4.5 GHz with +3% IPC is reasonable. But that still has it falling short of an 8700k/8600k/7700k/6700k at 5.0GHz in single thread. If they do manage 5.0 GHz, that will put them in a really superb position though. Intel really scrambled to get something out to compete with Ryzen 1 and if Ryzen 2 is that good, Intel is pretty much back at the drawing board since AMD can always just add more cores to Ryzen (see threadripper). Intel just can't scale like that with their current setup and they are having terrible problems getting off of 14nm. If they lose that clock speed advantage, there just isn't anything left for them (except marketing/bribes).

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Now look at this, 6 cores in nice usage, real ones only through ProcessLasso.

 

this aint VR, no streaming, no TiR, no TS and no SRS...very very sleek config & plain 2D WQHD

 

5G has its justification, as well as 6 or more cores

 

This was offline, KA-50 Free Flight

 

MP is the same, I just lost that screenshot so I redid it in SP

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I moved from a 1600x to an 8700k because VR in DCS is unplayable at 4.0 GHz on either Ryzen or Intel

 

I guess everyone’s opinion on unplayable is different, but my 1600X at 4Ghz is perfectly playable in VR, on highish settings. I typically get min 45fps, usually higher, except early versions of Normandy, which has improved.

 

I roll with ASW off, as I don’t like the artifacts it creates, and have no motion sickness. I do have a pretty strong stomach though... (which is where I think a lot of the subjectiveness comes from)


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what is asw ?

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Where can you set that setting ?

 

I am mostly at 45fps in 2.2 in VR, only higher up I get 82-90fps.

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It's on by default in every game. You can turn it off with ctrl+numpad 1 but must do so every time you launch the game. It doesn't save the setting. You can switch it back on with ctrl+numpad 4. 2 and 3 also do things, one of them locks frame rate to 45 with asw and the other without.

 

In regards to unplayable fps with the 1600x, that was in 1.5. In a completely empty mission, I would consistently get on 20-something fps near the coast on the deck at any graphics setting in VR. With the 8700k, it drops into the 30's but is mostly 45 in those same areas. On NTTR, it went from 45 fps all the time to 90 fps everywhere but Vegas in VR. Both 1.5 and 2.x were absolutely fine with the 1600x at 1440p, it's in VR in DCS (and only DCS) where it fell apart.

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Does anyone know if current B350 or X350 boards will actually support CPUs with more than 8 cores??? All the boards I've looked at have stated support for up to 8 cores.

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It seems that AMD has confirmed Ryzen 12nm refresh for Q1 up to 8 cores.

 

A new test bios based on AGESA 1.1.0.0 has hinted at memory straps of 3766 and 4000 getting special focus XFR 2 and other technologies but the officials are tight liped (then why release a test BIOS? ) :D

 

Source:

 

 

in the AGESA 1.1.0.0 code I found many new technologies

 

such as XFR 2.0 with options : Socket PPT Limit , TDC_VDDCR_VDD, TDC_VDDCR_SOC, EDC_VDDCR_VDD, EDC_VDDCR_SOC

 

Intelligent Overclocking Scalar Control

 

and support for overclocking the RAM to 4 GHz, guaranteed frequencies will increase by 2 steps. A lot of attention is paid to the frequency of 3733

 

The rest of the functions so far I will keep in secret :)

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/31780_20#post_26511568

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Need more details of Zen2 but for what it's worth, I'm starting to steer back to Kaby Lake for my next build. Perfomance of the R5s seem to be more matched to Haswell Refresh particularly with single thread.


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I will stick with my Intel builds. AMD has too much history of screwing up a potentially good thing.

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Sometimes it time to rethink an old strategy, things do change over time and nothing stays the same, not even the Leopard's spots.

 

I have build a few Ryzen's now, all are maintained by me, all make fun & run excellent, not a single stupid thing with any of those, I have and had more trouble recently with Z170/Z270 and Z370 tbh.

 

If it wasnt for DCS and IPC I'd be running an 1950x, hands down

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Awesome news! Its been a struggle holding of on a 8600k.

 

Edit: or maybe too good to be true?

 

Scan have them and if your prepared to wait Amazon have a few vendors. Mine will be coming down the chimney tonight ;)

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