Shall I upgrade ?

OK, I hit the order button, tho CPU & Mobo are not in stock yet:

i7-8700k boxed

Asus Maximus X Formula Z370

Asus Poseidon 1080GTX-Ti

Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe

Phantek Evolv tempered glass, anthrazit ATX case

Der 8auer Delid-Die-Mate 2

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut

Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut

Uhu high-temp Silicon

Gskill DDR4-3600 Trident-Z RGB CL16 (for my son, as I keep my 32GB kit)

another spin of the "Silicon Lottery Wheel of Fortune" :)

Wow!!! Now that's a rig! Enjoy de-lidding. I couldn't believe how effective it was!

Bit, I am going to replace my dinosaur of a rig with a 8700K but I am waiting for Asus to release the Code and Formula to decide on which mobo to get. I have everything else on-hand and also recently purchased from EK the P360 kit to do my first custom water cooling loop. I have also purchased a GPU block. I'm just not sure if I should plump the extra cash on the formula and do the loop with mobo VRM, CPU and GPU. The fact I have a 360 rad water lop means there is absolutely no point cooling just the CPU with it. Has to be at least CPU and GPU combo and perhaps the mobo. Anyway I will be building hopefully around Christmas. I just can't see the need for the loads of PCI-E lanes with my PC usage. So yeah Z370 mainstream for me. Good luck with your decision.

go for the full loop and skip some noise under heavy loads :)

if the 360 aint enough to keep the fans at low rpm or off just add another one, that simple.

i use my HK-IV block on the 3rd cpu now , actually all of it, since Sandy times

Could be worth considering if you are not in a hurry buying...

Delivery date of my CPU is Dec. 15th, the Asus Formula still has no delivery date announced.

Sigh, looks like I am gonna be building this rig at, during or after Xmas.

The Poseidon 1080Ti and NVMe will arrive next few days, so I am gonna pop that in my current rig and enjoy that while I wait for the other parts.

Delivery date of my CPU is Dec. 15th, the Asus Formula still has no delivery date announced.

I don’t even know if a release date has been announced yet fo the ROG X Formula. How much was it on pre-order there? In Australia there is the Hero and Apex then the Strix and lower end Asus stuff. Code and Formula no idea.

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I don’t even know if a release date has been announced yet fo the ROG X Formula. How much was it on pre-order there? In Australia there is the Hero and Apex then the Strix and lower end Asus stuff. Code and Formula no idea.

 

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Menge Artikelnr. Bezeichnung Einzelpreis Gesamtpreis

1 MBAS-360 ASUS Maximus X FORMULA, Intel Z370 Mainboard, RoG -

Sockel 1151

469,00 € 469,00 €

1 HPIT-433 Intel Core i7-8700K 3,7 GHz (Coffee Lake) Sockel 1151 -

boxed

429,90 € 429,90 €

1 FSD8-019 der8auer Delid-Die-Mate 2 29,90 € 29,90 €

1 ZUHP-006 UHU Hochtemperatur Silikon - 80 ml 9,90 € 9,90 €

1 ZUWA-153 Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Flüssigmetall-Wärmeleitpaste

- 1 Gramm

8,49 € 8,49 €

1 ZUWA-126 Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Wärmeleitpaste - 5,55 Gramm / 1,5

ml

14,90 € 14,90 €

1 GEPH-046 PHANTEKS Enthoo Evolv ATX Midi-Tower, Tempered Glass

- anthrazit

189,90 € 189,90 €

Zwischensumme: 1.151,99 €

Versandkosten: 5,99 €

inkl. MwSt. 19%: 184,89 €

Gesamtsumme: 1.157,98 €

Very nice looking list my friend. Can I ask what practical difference between the Prime A and the Maximus X apart from a couple of extra's on the I/O both have the same chipset and presumably BIOS

And is your thermal paste better than liquid metal for delidding ?

Hey Cibit,

There are 2 Thermal Grizzly products listed, one is liquid metal for IHS and the other for the waterblock, plus silicon to reattach the IHS.

Its hard to say if there is a real benefit other than the extras like WiFi and another year of free Kaspersky, which I do actually use. The wifi is nice but i use Gbit cabling wherever i can.

The watercooling for the vrm made it for me. Less noise is my absolut goal.

I dont think the Prime board is lesser, it has less features but that does not mean lesser performance.

IF my Formula is a DIVA again I will RMA it and get a Prime again like last time. I have been struggling with myself about this but i wanted the vrm feature and accept the hassle that might come with it, to a certain extend.

I have no problem saying that both will rock any 8th gen CPU to 5G or more imho.

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Got mail, my Ti is inbound along with the NVMe drive. Dd is Thursday.

Time to deactivate the modules and install Samsung Tool again ;)

yayaya :pilotfly:

Has the postman delivered yet ?

My build is going to be I am pretty sure is

i5 8600K

Prime A Z370 (Every PC I have built since 1999 has had an ASUS mainboard)

16 Gb https://www.amazon.co.uk/G-SKILL-F4-3200C14D-16GTZ-Trident-DDR4-Memory/dp/B01ACODPHI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1511433692&sr=8-9&keywords=DDR4+3200

Its about the only 3200 RAM with C14 Although again I have never used any RAM but Corsair Dominator in all of my builds:)

Well, I had a pack of Corsair Dominator way back with one of my P4's.

I think the extra price on top is not worth it. Vengeance is just as fine, or go Gskill which I did now as they are the only ones atm that have a 2x8/16GB 36000-16-16-16-36-2T-630 Kit based on Samsung B-die. They have 3600er, everywhere...with CL18 or worse.

Wait..the 8700k has a MRSP of 359-370€ and Intel ramped up two other Fabs to make those chips, so the price will drop soon. Maybe you can get a 8700k in a few weeks for the current price of a 8600K, I wouldnt be surprised.

*yeah, it's on the truck..I may get it today, if not tomorrow

Are you using compression fittings and what will you replace to fit the 1080Ti ? New tubing, new joints. Is all the pipework the same diameter?

Can you retrofit an aircooling solution to the 980 ?

Are you using compression fittings and what will you replace to fit the 1080Ti ? New tubing, new joints. Is all the pipework the same diameter?

 

Can you retrofit an aircooling solution to the 980 ?

OK, let me explain:

The Asus Poseidon is a HYBRID card, Air & Water cooled. You can run AIR-ONLY if you wish but also hook it up to the waterloop with standard fittings 1/4" that actually fit with every common DIY loop.

My old 980GTX-Poseidon will now run in my sons PC with AIR-ONLY, he only has a Corsair H110 AIO and no DIY loop (yet).

I will unscrew the fittings on the 980 and screew them in the Ti. I may have to take other ones, 90° angle etc.. I have a fundus of fittings and stuff so I will have to see which one fits.

YOu actually pull the tube over the fitting and secure it with a Nut that you screw "over" the tube and thus press the tube onto the fitting.

What I also use, as many others, are Koolance Quick-Connectors ( QC's ). Those make your life a lot easier as you can deattach any component without draining the loop etc..

I will make some screenshots so you see, no big deal.

The card + nvme actually arrived couple hours ago, what a BIG card compared to the 980GTX.

The barbs are 90! offset now, which is better now as it wont reach too far up and collide with your side panel/door, which my tubes for the 980 almost did, glad my tower is that wide. The 1080Ti is a higher card in dimension but the offset on the barb will it make smaller in height overall once in slot, at least that is what I assume from looking at it.

I may do that tonight, depends when the kids go to bed.

edit:

same tubing, same everything actually, no extra cost, max is 2 fittings from my stock, each maybe 2€. That mainly depends on liking space and style, both angles would work.

I guess, that if you use hard tubing this is a mayor task. I like it easy-to-maintain and easy-to-work-on, so I have soft tubing and many QC's so I can disconnect the ext. radiator, the CPU or GPU and leave the rest as a working loop, aka testing another air-gpu, an air-cpu cooler..etc..

https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-POSEIDON-GTX1080TI-P11G-GAMING/

Can fans somehow be turned off on Poseidon cards?

The new one will only spin up over 50°C, according to what I have read.

YOu can, with MSI AFterburner, disable the fan, I leave it on about 10% default, it never spins up on air on my 980.

The 1080Ti on water should never reach 50°C thus the fan should only spin when you power up the PC for a few seconds.

The Ti arrived as well as the NVMe.

I installed the NVMe as my ded. DCS drive instead of the 850Pro. I cannot tell any difference tbh.

Whereas I can tell a difference with the 1080Ti over my 980GTX, but also, tbh, it was a WASTE of money. My 980GTX was really fast enough. The gain in fps is there, but not really THAT dramatic.

Downtown Vegas in a Mi-8 had like 80 fps with things maxed out, all sliders to the right and Def Shaders. Empty sky and the fps goes haywire towards 185, but I had like 160 fps there before with my 980.

This 1080 thing was nonsense for a 2560x1440p Gsynced screen ! Honestyl, it does not give you back what you invested.

The LED's wont make it even either !

Another thing: If I do mistakes I stand up to it. This card was the WRONG Ti, dont get it.

The water loop's flow rate gets cut in half due to the too small U-pipe in the GPU cooler.

I might take the card out, send it back this week and get me the Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce with a real waterblock and no flow restrictions.

All in all, very disappointed by the overall outcome.

8700K and Asus Formula still on back order. SO I have enough time to rethink...and my go with Gigabyte for the GPU....as well as with the board...and skip the waterboard feature if things take too long.

Anyway, dont buy this card, nonsense ! Big Failure. Rather get a real ded. waterblock 3rd party and risk the warranty or Aorus Waterforce.

*She's a great Ethereum miner btw, 32MH/sec.....tho my pal's 980GTX-Ti does only ~1 MH/sec less !!!!

But you're ready for VR! :)

I could do this:

Cancel 8700K + Board and delid stuff but take the 1800X+Asus Hero + Rift_VR for EXACT same money instead ??

I wonder if I should call.....

edit: forget the new CPU block...ehhh another 90€....damn..I really dunno. I wanted to upgrade, or have a new feature or such. I may bite the forbidden fruit..

But really an 8700K plus Rift = Bliss!

:smilewink:

But really an 8700K plus Rift = Bliss!

 

 

 

:smilewink:

Is this your rig dburne? I’m looking to upgrade to that cpu and would love to hear that it makes the Rift=bliss. Honestly, on my 1080 and OC 3770k I’m still on cloud 9 after a full year.

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I did a little test in NTTR and set my CPU to the lowest it allowed in GUI, which is solid 4.2GHz.

The 1080Ti at 5G is pretty much saturated, GPU usage goes up & down between 90 and 100%.

At 4.2G the GPU usage is between 70 and 80% !

No way any present Ryzen or Threadripper can fill that card in DCS, maybe in another game.

My TaskManager shows each and every core is pretty much active, at least 25% on each, some more and the ONE that runs the core is clearly visible but not maxed out, it stays at around 75-85% usage at either 5G or 4.2G. That was astonishing that at 4.2G the load shown was about the same. I expected that one core to be maxed out, it wasnt, by far not. Tho all other 7 cores were busy.

I could climb up the ladder now, 100MHz each step, and for sure the GPU load would climb with it, I skip it for time reasons and switch back to 5G ;)

No Ryzen this time, the order with the 8700k stays as it is, the only thing would be to go with the Asus Prime, 290€ cheaper than that Formula, skip the Tower as well and get VR for that money. I am still thinking about that. Water vs. VR...yeah..I think I could live with that !

Conclusion, at or around 5G/Intel you max out a 1080Ti @ 2050/11300. For a better card Intel needs to make a better chip first or scale the resolution to 4K to somehow use the card's power.

At 2560x1440 and 144Hz this is a real sweet spot, things match out quite well with CPU and GPU too. Change any one and the gamble starts all over ;)

The wonders of Process Lasso: a few pics, same scene, Ka-50 free Flight on Autopilot over Vegas.

No ProcessLasso and the CPU is quite evenly filled in NTTR, Hyperthreading is in use.

With ProcessLasso (AutoConfig No-HT_Cores = 0,2,4,6) it is a totally different picture, silence on 1 3 5 7.

I dont actually see a big difference but it felt snappier in TiR with PL engaged.

This also means, DCS 2.x uses 4 cores pretty well already, any other App will have to ride on top of DCS or be squeezed onto a free HT core, whatever...I need more real cores. This 7700k is maxed out pretty much as it is, no real headroom.

The cores are fast enough, as described in the post before, but the number of cores will become a problem with additional software run aside of DCS, or VR I guess. 6 cores at 5G are now pretty welcome at my end.

The wonders of Process Lasso: a few pics, same scene, Ka-50 free Flight on Autopilot over Vegas.

 

No ProcessLasso and the CPU is quite evenly filled in NTTR, Hyperthreading is in use.

 

With ProcessLasso (AutoConfig No-HT_Cores = 0,2,4,6) it is a totally different picture, silence on 1 3 5 7.

 

I dont actually see a big difference but it felt snappier in TiR with PL engaged.

 

This also means, DCS 2.x uses 4 cores pretty well already, any other App will have to ride on top of DCS or be squeezed onto a free HT core, whatever...I need more real cores. This 7700k is maxed out pretty much as it is, no real headroom.

 

The cores are fast enough, as described in the post before, but the number of cores will become a problem with additional software run aside of DCS, or VR I guess. 6 cores at 5G are now pretty welcome at my end.

Ahhhh damn. I didn't need to hear that! :)

Question for you. Did you disable HyperThreading in process Lasso? And you just let it run w/o moving DCS to any core, for example? Could you tell us how you deployed Process Lasso?

I tried pinning DCS to two physical core and didn't see much difference in VR FPS. So I'm curious how you went about it. thanks!

ohh, easy, as I had no clue how that works I just right clicked DSC ( mine is german, so it may be named differently on yours, ymmv ), and took mthe 2nd option from top, CPU Affinity ( CPU Zugehörigkeit )-->Currently ( derzeitig )---->avoid non-physical cores ( for example Hyperthreading Cores) ((nicht physiche Kerne vermeiden (zB HyperThreading Kerne)).

You can set that to permanent, I havent done it yet as I just started to play with ProcessLasso a little bit. It may even need the Pro /Pay version to save such settings.