Eagerly awaited aircraft for DCS World

I’m still guessing either an Intruder, phantom, corsair Or crusader.

I know everY one of these has been discussed and the pros, cons of each based on the original context post. That said, the programers stepped out of this conversation a long time ago and all of our “conclusions “ seem to be based more on each other’s past posts than anything official.

All the above are high demand type aircraft. (No plane will ever be 100% for everyone). Period correct given where we seem to be map wise. Each brings something pretty “mind melting” to the sim be it side by side multiplayer of the A-6 and wild weasel capabilities, Phantom with some new form of multiplayer functionality that may be far superior to the jester setup, Crusader and corsair a bit more “standard” but certainly higher demand, period correct and opens door for a Vietnam area of operations.

Or they could just be laughing at us.....

 

Cant be Intruder, phantom, corsair or crusader because they're already announced. (except for A-6 but seems that heatblur will work on it)

Both corsair and crusader are already in development by third parties.

Copy that, but I don't think the original post specifically ruled it out as a third party project that they were referring to? Waggs just said an announcement was coming about an eagerly awaited plane no? Maybe I’m wrong.

In any event, pretty sharp group of folks here, I can’t imagine they have missed any potential candidates yet as a group we have ruled them all out so its either one already mentioned or a prank.....

 

Copy that, but I don't think the original post specifically ruled it out as a third party project that they were referring to? Waggs just said an announcement was coming about an eagerly awaited plane no? Maybe I’m wrong.

In any event, pretty sharp group of folks here, I can’t imagine they have missed any potential candidates yet as a group we have ruled them all out so its either one already mentioned or a prank.....

why ED should announce a plane that has already been announced? It doesn't make much sense.

however, I think you're right, it should be one already mentioned. because otherwise, it wouldn't be an awaited aircraft... maybe

 

We have Corsair 2 in development since February that is a real tactical bomber with TFR.

I'm probably playing a no-true Scotsman fallacy here when it comes to the definition of a bomber, but the F-111 is closer to a pure bomber than anything else in DCS, including the A-7E. But I'll concede on the TFR (I am very much looking forward to the A-7E by FlyingIron, if they can deliver something up to standard, and the bar is set quite high).

Is it really that big? It seems around the same size as tomcat. Maybe slightly bigger but still I wouldnt say this differrence would qualify as face melting.

The F-111 is 3m longer, wingspan is about .5 smaller and the height about the same. Admittedly this was probably my eyes playing tricks on me (probably on account of the F-111s wider fuselage) and realising just how big the F-14 is compared to others. The F-111 is certainly 'chunkier' and the difference is more apparent when you look at the specs for payload and range - twice in both aspects compared to the F-14D, with 2 internal stations.

The range is less of a factor given our map sizes (though now you have an aircraft that can probably spend most of the time in AB for the size of our current maps).

It is a lot down to personal opinion, and I'm probably biased for it (mostly out of historical appeal, plus how the thing looks, and the fact that low and fast is by far the most interesting way of getting to the target). But the other thing that it does is fit current DCS assets very well, whereas 2000s+ gen 4+ aircraft fit nothing else but each other, with no hope of a REDFOR contemporary from the same era and generation.

But as you said its all personal opinion- for me Rafale is face melting simply because everyone thinks its too new to be simulated in DCS. Even Tomcat D would be face melting because ppl want it but it was said many times by HB that they wont do it.

For me, it's not that the Rafale is too new, just that it doesn't really fit, it only fits other 2000+ BLUFOR aircraft and nothing else, and there's basically no chance we'll get to see a contemporary for REDFOR. So it'll be the same 30+ year age gap mission between REDFOR and BLUFOR that we have with the F-16CM and F/A-18C, it's very much the same kettle of fish for me.

And while I'd love to see more ships added to DCS (it's one area that's pretty lacking), a Rafale M wouldn't be at home without the Charles de Gaulle CVN and at least a couple of French escorts like the Forbin/Horizon-class DDG, Aquitaine-class FREMM DDG, as well as possibly the La Fayette-class FF and Durance-class AOR; but I just don't see any of these happening any time soon (though nothing is stopping the Rafale from operating from US Carriers). But having nothing peer is a fair bit of a turn off for me (that, and I simply prefer mid-to-late Cold War aircraft).

 

 

What is certain is that it will be unwanted for many, but many will be very joyful and hopefully will not suffer brain melting experience because of that and die....

I have seen the same thing happen over on the RC airplane forums. Every time a new model is announced there are always those that either love it and its an instant buy and those that are upset because it is nothing they would remotely consider. Except that RC hobbyist are even picker because even though it might be something they would consider it also has to be at the the right scale size, details and price.

 

We have Corsair 2 in development since February that is a real tactical bomber with TFR.

 

Is it really that big? It seems around the same size as tomcat. Maybe slightly bigger but still I wouldnt say this differrence would qualify as face melting. But as you said its all personal opinion- for me Rafale is face melting simply because everyone thinks its too new to be simulated in DCS. Even Tomcat D would be face melting because ppl want it but it was said many times by HB that they wont do it.

 

The A7 has a ground mapping radar like the Viggen, Hornet, Jeff, or (in the future) Viper (and Typhoon? And technically Mirage but I don't see RB implementing that). It doesn't have a TFR coupled to the autopilot like the F-111 does, and the A-6 doesn't either. To my knowledge, the main Western aircraft with that capability are the Strike Eagle, some block 40 Vipers (both thanks to the LANTIRN pod, although again I'm not sure how closely coupled to the FCS the system is in those jets), the Tornado and the F-111.

 

The A7 has a ground mapping radar like the Viggen, Hornet, Jeff, or (in the future) Viper (and Typhoon? And technically Mirage but I don't see RB implementing that). It doesn't not have a TFR coupled to the autopilot like the F-111 does, and the A-6 doesn't either. To my knowledge, the main Western aircraft with that capability are the Strike Eagle, some block 40 Vipers (both thanks to the LANTIRN pod, although again I'm not sure how closely coupled to the FCS the system is in those jets), the Tornado and the F-111.

APQ-126? Wiki at least seems to think it's a TFR, no idea on autopilot coupling.

EDIT: Maybe a bit of a misread on my part, the APQ-126 probably has a TFR mode, but not coupled as you said.

Yeah but that TFR mode basically just means "the antenna scans up and down in front of the aircraft, rather than side to side". It's very, very common in radars of that era or even older (the F104G and F105 both had it) and is not any sort of technological accomplishment in DCS - even the A4 mod includes a mode like that (e.g.

I think JAS-39 Gripen could be good candidate also. Its multirole, complex and would probably sell very well + possible military contracts. Capability wise its pretty similar to F/A-18 or JF-17 etc. Though It can use European weapons like IRIS-T, Skyflash, RBS-15F, MBDA Brimstone etc. It was in introduced in 1996 so maybe Its not considered as "new, new aircraft". Hoewer since its FBW jet, its not going to be "challenge to fly" probably. Apart from that I have no clue what It could be apart from many times mentioned F-111. This is going to interesting...

Yeah but that TFR mode basically just means "the antenna scans up and down in front of the aircraft, rather than side to side". It's very, very common in radars of that era or even older (the F104G and F105 both had it) and is not any sort of technological accomplishment in DCS - even the A4 mod includes a mode like that (e.g.

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Ahh, I see, thanks :thumbup:

I just thought of something.. We are discarding Lots of posible planes because they are "now" announced.. maybe this particular one was not announced yet when the Teasing was issued, but was announced latter and we think its not it, but it is...

I truly hope is the F-4 Phantom...

I could not bare to see it delayed even more LOL..

Then Again an F-111 is enticing, specially an early one...

It is some related to an milestone achieved, maybe the full Western Europe 1944-1945 set of aircraft, including the Me262. But that one was already announced. A MiG-29A, K, etc. They said that it is not a Russian Aircraft (maybe a Soviet one). They said it is a complex and very detailed aircraft. This is a mystery greater than UFO phenomena.

[...] They said that it is not a Russian Aircraft (maybe a Soviet one). They said it is a complex and very detailed aircraft. This is a mystery greater than UFO phenomena.

I think apart from some trainer, light or support aircraft all sovjet aircraft were still designed in - and most if not all also produced in - the SFSR.

They said that it is not a Russian Aircraft (maybe a Soviet one).

They said it's not a REDFOR aircraft. So, not Soviet nor Chinese, either.

The F-111F is the only one that really fits, with V-22 being a possible second choice.

V-22 sounds like a ridiculous option. It's an interesting aircraft, but let's not forget, ED is out to make a profit, and I can't imagine V-22 selling very. For sure it will have it's fanbase, like every other possible option, but it will be very, very niche...

Apache

x13 for F-111

And why the F-111 is an important milestone? Maybe due to multicrew?

I think JAS-39 Gripen could be good candidate also. Its multirole, complex and would probably sell very well + possible military contracts. Capability wise its pretty similar to F/A-18 or JF-17 etc. Though It can use European weapons like IRIS-T, Skyflash, RBS-15F, MBDA Brimstone etc. It was in introduced in 1996 so maybe Its not considered as "new, new aircraft". Hoewer since its FBW jet, its not going to be "challenge to fly" probably. Apart from that I have no clue what It could be apart from many times mentioned F-111. This is going to interesting...

SAAB does have some challenges to sell the Gripen for others than Sweden Air Force, and the few other export sales it is receiving a fairly great amount of marketing from SAAB as it is very capable aircraft. For some reason many doesn't like to bet anymore for anything else than US made aircrafts if not for domestic ones (French wants their own, GB wants as well but are ready to go for Eurofighter, Sweden wants own etc etc).

IMHO the JAS-39 from 1993 to this date is very interesting fighter concept for DCS purposes. It would as well bring a lot for SAAB considering their marketing power if there would be more about even their older C/D variant compared to NG and E/F variants.

But, if someone would be to do the Gripen, it must be Heatblur. It would be so easy for them considering documentation and all communication with same language and easier to build the trust for some classified systems.

It would as well bring something very interesting to DCS considering that Eurofighter Typhoon is coming as well. As Gripen + Typhoon would both be well presenting Nordic countries with the F/A-18C and F-16C that would include Norway, Sweden, Finland and add possibilities for new Norwegian Sea map, opening very critical USSR Navy missions, around the Iceland that doesn't have its own Air Force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Air_Policing

The Iceland position and the importance for the UK and Norway defense, that area there could really blow many minds considering how close it would be "home" for many in the western countries. It would not be Middle-East themed anymore.

But as that all would be very heavily depending to get a such Norwegian Sea map with Iceland and so on, it would require major work to get even some coast of the Norway modeled and only then get the extra modules like Gripen to it.

Apache

Mi-24

To add on why I think it's the F-111:

ED says it's a milestone "brain melter". A multi-crew ground attack would make the most sense to me.

They were going to drop the name at the end of the year. You know what else just dropped? The F-14A with the TF30 engines. You know what else used the TF-30 engines? The F-111. It makes sense they waited for HB to release the -A model. Why?

Because ED has a contract stipulation that requires in some form or another that all product models/files/etc are released to ED if a dev drops. Maybe they reached a handshake that allows HB's already modeled TF-30s and AI for multi-crew airplane to be implemented under the ED guise.

Just some thoughts.

F-22...

Growling Sidewinder has been doing a lot of video with a borked user module... or is he on closed beta?

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F-22...

 

Growling Sidewinder has been doing a lot of video with a borked user module... or is he on closed beta?

 

:stirpot:

The F22 is a third party mod (CubanAce?)

To add on why I think it's the F-111:

 

ED says it's a milestone "brain melter". A multi-crew ground attack would make the most sense to me.

 

They were going to drop the name at the end of the year. You know what else just dropped? The F-14A with the TF30 engines. You know what else used the TF-30 engines? The F-111. It makes sense they waited for HB to release the -A model. Why?

 

Because ED has a contract stipulation that requires in some form or another that all product models/files/etc are released to ED if a dev drops. Maybe they reached a handshake that allows HB's already modeled TF-30s and AI for multi-crew airplane to be implemented under the ED guise.

 

Just some thoughts.

While I'd love an F-111F (or any variant for that matter, but a late 80s, early 90s F is my preferred choice), I can't imagine ED will be the ones to do one, given that they aren't that interested in doing single role aircraft that can only really do A/A or can only do A/G (the F-111 being the latter category, though it can fit AIM-9s and an internal M61 with a decent number of rounds ~double what the Hornet has).

Given that Heatblur have put in a lot of work for their TF-30s (the F-111F has the TF-30-P100, compared to the Tomcats TF30-P412A/414A), and have a swing wing module, and have even modelled RADARs using raycasting (to an extent), then I think that they are best poised to deliver an F-111F. Not only that, it perfectly fits the timeframe from both of their other modules (F-14A (late)/-14B are both late 80s/early 90s, and the AJS-37 is also early 90s).

So I think if anyone is likely to do one, it's probably Heatblur, but I'd be more than happy if ED were the ones to do one.

I can't imagine ED will be the ones to do one, given that they aren't that interested in doing single role aircraft that can only really do A/A or can only do A/G.

Yeah, just like they weren't interested in doing a certain plane that only has A/G weapons, Sidewinders and a great big gun...

Agreed about A/A, but A/G aircraft were the core of DCS from the very first module. For a long time, DCS was just about the A-10 and then Ka-52, neither of which is much good for air to air. They can do that in a pinch, just like the F-111F. Even today, most people in DCS are moving mud in singleplayer. F-111F fits the ED's customer base and preferences like a glove, plus Chizh supposedly stated he's a fan of the aircraft in some interview ages ago.

Yeah, just like they weren't interested in doing a certain plane that only has A/G weapons, Sidewinders and a great big gun...

 

Agreed about A/A, but A/G aircraft were the core of DCS from the very first module. For a long time, DCS was just about the A-10 and then Ka-52, neither of which is much good for air to air. They can do that in a pinch, just like the F-111F. Even today, most people in DCS are moving mud in singleplayer. F-111F fits the ED's customer base and preferences like a glove, plus Chizh supposedly stated he's a fan of the aircraft in some interview ages ago.

Yeah, but the A-10C was an official USAF contract IIRC

As for the Ka-50, it's kinda in it's own niche, as are all helicopters currently in DCS.

Apart from that, I completely agree about the F-111F and yes, I definitely want one, I just can't see it being this eagerly awaited aircraft, but I'm happy to be proved wrong.