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Old 02-08-2019, 12:41 PM   #11
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Fast card, at the expense of immense TDP though.
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:14 PM   #12
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Currently still using a 970 and had been set on a 2080. Honestly, if it performs around the same as a 2080FE/OC'd 2070 then the 16GB of vRAM might make me choose the Radeon VII. Would be fantastic if someone on here could test a Radeon VII in a few months when drivers mature, to help me make an informed decision.
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:38 PM   #13
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There were a few available on Newegg up until a day or so ago, sold out now

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...UJfKSpEBxEdKTk
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:47 PM   #14
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I think I see a new build in my future.
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:55 PM   #15
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Fast card, at the expense of immense TDP though.
Immense ? Vega 64 was immense, especially after overclocking. This is much closer to competition and after undervolting it gets even better.

Real issues as far as I've seen relate to noise and poor temperature handling. Its obvious that default design was a last minute thought as there are issues with vapor chamber pad unevenly contacting chip - hence the need for thermal pad instead of proper thermal paste. Fin arrengement is also subobtimal, it should be denser and possibly higher - which of course would lead to 2.5 slot design. At this point card seems to be throttling down due to overvoltage applied by AMD at factory and cooler unable to handle so much heat.
I'd wait for Sapphire Nitro version as those are ususally best AMD AIB designs.

Certainly would be a nice option once my 1080Ti runs out of warranty in June, especially since Ive decided to get upcoming oled TV with 120 hz refresh rate for more immersive experience and better picture quality than 2.5 year old panel I have right now. And TVs often support no VRR or only Freesync, so AMD is the way to go here.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:10 PM   #16
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Fast ~ 2080
Too noisy
Amd drivers hell
No RTX
No Tensor
SH develops for nvidia

A bit more expensive than 2080 here (Italy)

So…. why?
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:06 AM   #17
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Noise is the result of heat issues, if you undervolt the card to reasonable levels, it gets much more acceptable. Shame they just didnt copy Sapphire Nitro design for the cooler. Drivers are bad indeed though, which is surprising considering AMD drivers for a couple years now maintain very high quality. My experience of having both manufacturers cards was that AMD drivers were actually better than Nvidia, or at least more stable. Im still getting crashes with nvidia driver in DCS every now and than.

As for RTX and Tensor, we no surprise there. Its Nvidia technology, so why would AMD gpus have it. Its like asking why Nvidia gpus dont have HBCC. Anyway, here is interesting material regarding that matter in game that was build around Nvidia tech (including Raytracing):
https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us...me-performance

Personally Id wait for AIB designs from XFX or Sapphire before anyone tries this one. It sure will get interesting once we move to Vulkan with DCS.
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:27 PM   #18
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Noise is the result of heat issues, if you undervolt the card to reasonable levels, it gets much more acceptable. Shame they just didnt copy Sapphire Nitro design for the cooler. Drivers are bad indeed though, which is surprising considering AMD drivers for a couple years now maintain very high quality. My experience of having both manufacturers cards was that AMD drivers were actually better than Nvidia, or at least more stable. Im still getting crashes with nvidia driver in DCS every now and than.

As for RTX and Tensor, we no surprise there. Its Nvidia technology, so why would AMD gpus have it. Its like asking why Nvidia gpus dont have HBCC. Anyway, here is interesting material regarding that matter in game that was build around Nvidia tech (including Raytracing):
https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us...me-performance

Personally Id wait for AIB designs from XFX or Sapphire before anyone tries this one. It sure will get interesting once we move to Vulkan with DCS.
BFV is getting DLSS "soon" according to the latest nvidia driver news. Which will allow for better performance with and without raytracing currently using an RTX card. LIkely to be limited to 1440p and 4K. But still.. it gives a considerable edge to the RTX cards in the title. 2070 will potentially outperform a 1080Ti with the aid of DLSS.

I was also using dx12 in BFV last night, and it seems they've fixed some issues with it.

I had to adjust my resolution to 5160x2160 to experience DLSS in FFXIV on my 21:9 but.. it looked pretty good and was actually playable around 55fps and often above 60fps at that resolution.. which says good things to me about DLSS. Hopefully they find a way to make this work across a broader range of resolutions to utilize it in VR titles. FFXIV was basically nvidia's first wide scale test of DLSS. I anticipate 1440p support with BFV.

Frankly raytracing is hard to notice in the game as they've toned it down to increase performance, and you're generally too busy to stand around looking at reflections. but with dlss I'll probably be able to get away with it even @ 3440x1440. As it stands I have to lower my resolution to about 75% to keep my 100fps minimum with DXR enabled.

DLSS is by far the feature I've been most excited for with the RTX series, as well as what we may see over the next period of years with the NGX sdk. Still think ED should be keeping an eye on the tech given the performance hit from MSAA. NGX being the SDK that deals with tensor core operations, this is going to be where this new technology shines. DLSS is just feature #1. I mean the value of even the 2060 goes up in titles that will support this feature, which is already competing with a 1080 @$350USD

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...s-at-ces-2019/

I may have to purchase a copy of 3Dmark to see if I run into any resolution restrictions with DLSS. 3dmark is like $5 right now >.< Could give me info I don't have yet regarding DLSS. If I do I'll post my findings.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...yal-benchmark/
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:31 PM   #19
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I think I see a new build in my future.
hoh hoh...you mean you consider AMD as a GPU option again ?

I am eager to know your point of view
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:32 PM   #20
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Imo this card cries for a water loop, at least in my dreams.
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