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Old 10-20-2017, 11:36 AM   #1
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OK so I was reading a guide on the internet about how to fight BVR with the SU27.
basically the guide said to forget BVR engagement because the SU27 missiles are crap !
how would you recommend me to fight BVR flying the SU27 ?
the guide said I should fly low and use the mountains for cover?
is it true to forget BVR with the SU27 ? Enable ECM? Use radar?
many thanks.

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Old 10-20-2017, 01:29 PM   #2
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I guess it all depends on 1) whether you are flying against the AI or a human opponent. If the former, BVR engagements work fine assuming you know what you're doing. Against a human opponent things are more problematic and, generally, BVR engagements will go less well for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons have to do with the missiles' limitations. Others have to do with how your opponent handles his platform.

ECM has its uses but it's important to know when to and when not to use it. I use it sparingly myself and only turn it one when it serves my purposes.

Use radar when necessary. Leave it off when the situation demands it.

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...because the answer always begins: It depends...

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Very high mach, very high altitude is the only means of possibly succeeding at a BVR kill.
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OK so I was reading a guide on the internet about how to fight BVR with the SU27.
basically the guide said to forget BVR engagement because the SU27 missiles are crap !
how would you recommend me to fight BVR flying the SU27 ?
the guide said I should fly low and use the mountains for cover?
is it true to forget BVR with the SU27 ? Enable ECM? Use radar?
many thanks.
I'm guessing the guide you read was describing how to fight in multiplayer as a lone wolf.
Most servers in mp are more about getting kills rather than controlling airspace.
The best BVR is done the same no matter what aircraft you fly - high and fast. This way you maximise missile range and situational awareness.

Flying around in the valleys will give you a great insight into how effective a Flanker can be but it won't help you understand the BVR fight or how to get the most out of the Flanker.
If you want to BVR in a Flanker online then forget about the kills and concentrate on staying alive and holding ground, practice scanning patterns, long range engagement profiles and learning the cues when your opponents are overrunning you. Understand about F15 TWS shots, when to recognise what your opponent is doing, when you're being outperformed and always prioritise your virtual life.
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what height should I fly at? 8000 ? Or higher?
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what height should I fly at? 8000 ? Or higher?
That's not high
Put a 2 in front....

Do not punch me but - it depends.
In general I fly slightly below contrail altitude or above (depends on my fuel available and the time I have to be on station)

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That's not high
Put a 2 in front....
Assuming he's talking about 8000 meters and not feet, he was just about there.
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Assuming he's talking about 8000 meters and not feet, he was just about there.
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Still, 8000m isn’t really “high”. Think more like 11,000m
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