D4n Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) See trackfiles, Mi-8, TF-51 and Spitfire modules are definitely affected, so it's most likely safe to assume that every DCS aircraft is affected... Pay attention to the indicator in the top left and to the trimming sound in the 1st trackfile. (I also hit the trim switch tons of times in the 2nd trackfile....) The major issue here is that unplugging the controller (gamepad) while flying in the air won't make the joystick trim work! Players will have to despawn from in-flight and then respawn to fix it!! dcs.log also included. https://ufile.io/hgsjmijh Edited August 2, 2020 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 What exactly are you unplugging during your flight????? And next question WHY are you unplugging a hardware controller during a flight and expect the sim to work properely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 What exactly are you unplugging during your flight????? My controller!!! (gamepad) And next question WHY are you unplugging a hardware controller during a flight and expect the sim to work properely? Because it used to work in the past with my older controller (which was broken) aswell!! (and that even was unnecessary iirc, the trim worked flawless even if my old controller was still plugged in.) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 (this one https://www.speedlink.com/en/Gaming/THUNDERSTRIKE-GAMEPAD-USB-BLACK.html ) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 But again Why are you unplugging it? The gamepad is a generic one so it probably doesn't have great drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 But again Why are you unplugging it? Because trim doesn't work while it's plugged in. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 So leave it unplugged or contact the manufacturer to get an actual real driver for the hardware. Using generic drivers will work 99% of the time, but when hotplugging in/out the rules get thrown out the window. Not a DCS bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 Not a DCS bug. Up to ED to decide whether a "bug" or not, but it definitely is a "problem" for everyone who owns a gamepad with the same problem. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Up to ED to decide whether a "bug" or not, but it definitely is a "problem" for everyone who owns a gamepad with the same problem. You are referring to a gamepad that the manufacturer doesn't even provide drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz1004 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Because trim doesn't work while it's plugged in. Maybe this is the bug then. Why would the trim fail to function with the gamepad plugged in? Better Smoke - Better Trees Caucasus - Better Trees Syria - Better Trees Mariana - Clear Canopy Glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 Maybe this is the bug then. Why would the trim fail to function with the gamepad plugged in? Exactly.. question to ED DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 Can confirm, TF-51 affected aswell, ED.. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) This will probably affect every module you own. You gamepad is using a generic driver therefore it will cause issue when hotplugging in/out. Until the manufacturer releases a proper driver that ED can add to their driver library this is never going to work. Edited August 2, 2020 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 No, it's going to work as soon as ED patches DCS to recognize when a generic gamepad is plugged in DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 No, it's going to work as soon as ED patches DCS to recognize when a generic gamepad is plugged in ?????????? Do you understand the concept of a generic driver? It’s horrible that a manufacturer fails to provide a driver for a game pad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJWest Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 This is a long-standing issue with the Windows game controller API. It has always been flaky, and expecting an application using it to continue working flawlessly while unplugging devices is optimistic, to say the least. A controller-specific driver may possibly help, but I wouldn't count on it. Don't use plugging in/unplugging devices while playing as a 'fix' for other issues. If it works, it is only by coincidence, and cannot be relied on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 it sounds a lot like there is an input conflict. before flying, open the config for one of the AC with game pad plugged in and look for red colored binds. AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 it sounds a lot like there is an input conflict. before flying, open the config for one of the AC with game pad plugged in and look for red colored binds. I think his problem is even evident in the Windows USB stack. You can't hotplug generic input devices and demand applications to recognize it properly. Daniel, I would almost guarantee even your windows devices/manager will show you have a conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I think his problem is even evident in the Windows USB stack. You can't hotplug generic input devices and demand applications to recognize it properly. Daniel, I would almost guarantee even your windows devices/manager will show you have a conflict. i was thinking about testing the USB in Windows to see if something is amiss. Forgot. ;-) AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted August 6, 2020 ED Team Share Posted August 6, 2020 SO I am trying to understand the issue, you have a conflict with a controller you don't use, and if you unplug it and start the game or respawn it fixes it? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 SO I am trying to understand the issue, you have a conflict with a controller you don't use, and if you unplug it and start the game or respawn it fixes it? Yes, That is exactly it! Now fix it ED!!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted August 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted August 7, 2020 SO do I need to stop by and unplug the offending controller each time the game is started? Oh boy air miles. :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 SO do I need to stop by and unplug the offending controller each time the game is started? Maybe not even before the game is started, but definitely before a player joins a slot to spawn. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Maybe not even before the game is started, but definitely before a player joins a slot to spawn. So that is your job Daniel. Before you join a slot, unplug your unused, conflicted gamepad. That is your challenge for the next few weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will- Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Unless your using a game pad. I would recommend unplugging your controller before starting dcs. It will overwrite joystick, throttle, and rudder inputs causing unwanted effects. Intel i9-9900K 32GB DDR4, RTX 2080tiftw3, Windows 10, 1tb 970 M2, TM Warthog, 4k 144hz HDR g-sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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