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Trim won't work if "USB network joystick" controller is plugged out during flight!


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See trackfiles, Mi-8, TF-51 and Spitfire modules are definitely affected, so it's most likely safe to assume that every DCS aircraft is affected...

 

Pay attention to the indicator in the top left and to the trimming sound in the 1st trackfile. (I also hit the trim switch tons of times in the 2nd trackfile....)

 

The major issue here is that unplugging the controller (gamepad) while flying in the air won't make the joystick trim work! Players will have to despawn from in-flight and then respawn to fix it!!

 

dcs.log also included. https://ufile.io/hgsjmijh


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What exactly are you unplugging during your flight?????

 

My controller!!! (gamepad)

 

And next question WHY are you unplugging a hardware controller during a flight and expect the sim to work properely?

Because it used to work in the past with my older controller (which was broken) aswell!! (and that even was unnecessary iirc, the trim worked flawless even if my old controller was still plugged in.)

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DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.)

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But again Why are you unplugging it?

Because trim doesn't work while it's plugged in.

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So leave it unplugged or contact the manufacturer to get an actual real driver for the hardware. Using generic drivers will work 99% of the time, but when hotplugging in/out the rules get thrown out the window.

 

Not a DCS bug.

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Not a DCS bug.

 

Up to ED to decide whether a "bug" or not, but it definitely is a "problem" for everyone who owns a gamepad with the same problem.

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Up to ED to decide whether a "bug" or not, but it definitely is a "problem" for everyone who owns a gamepad with the same problem.

 

 

 

 

You are referring to a gamepad that the manufacturer doesn't even provide drivers.

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Maybe this is the bug then. Why would the trim fail to function with the gamepad plugged in?

 

Exactly.. question to ED

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Can confirm, TF-51 affected aswell, ED..

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This will probably affect every module you own. You gamepad is using a generic driver therefore it will cause issue when hotplugging in/out. Until the manufacturer releases a proper driver that ED can add to their driver library this is never going to work.


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No, it's going to work as soon as ED patches DCS to recognize when a generic gamepad is plugged in

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DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.)

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No, it's going to work as soon as ED patches DCS to recognize when a generic gamepad is plugged in

 

??????????

 

Do you understand the concept of a generic driver? It’s horrible that a manufacturer fails to provide a driver for a game pad.

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This is a long-standing issue with the Windows game controller API. It has always been flaky, and expecting an application using it to continue working flawlessly while unplugging devices is optimistic, to say the least. A controller-specific driver may possibly help, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

Don't use plugging in/unplugging devices while playing as a 'fix' for other issues. If it works, it is only by coincidence, and cannot be relied on.

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it sounds a lot like there is an input conflict. before flying, open the config for one of the AC with game pad plugged in and look for red colored binds.

 

 

 

 

I think his problem is even evident in the Windows USB stack. You can't hotplug generic input devices and demand applications to recognize it properly.

 

 

 

Daniel, I would almost guarantee even your windows devices/manager will show you have a conflict.

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I think his problem is even evident in the Windows USB stack. You can't hotplug generic input devices and demand applications to recognize it properly.

 

 

 

Daniel, I would almost guarantee even your windows devices/manager will show you have a conflict.

 

i was thinking about testing the USB in Windows to see if something is amiss. Forgot. ;-)

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SO do I need to stop by and unplug the offending controller each time the game is started?

Maybe not even before the game is started, but definitely before a player joins a slot to spawn.

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Maybe not even before the game is started, but definitely before a player joins a slot to spawn.

 

 

So that is your job Daniel. Before you join a slot, unplug your unused, conflicted gamepad.

 

 

 

That is your challenge for the next few weeks!

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Unless your using a game pad. I would recommend unplugging your controller before starting dcs. It will overwrite joystick, throttle, and rudder inputs causing unwanted effects.

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