Hook47 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 A pylon in the aircraft loadout would be ideal. Out of all the options, that would be the best for the AAR probe. It would please all parties involved Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) Lots of late block two without AAR Edited December 26, 2019 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonJosh Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 The first two pics show a jf 17 with AAR probe Gesendet von meinem BLA-L29 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 While convenient pylon route isn't very realistic since you probably can't just put it on or take it off for one sortie as required. It'd probably require the plane to be sent off back to the factory. AAR feels more like a peacetime/pre-war/anti-insurgent luxury which is probably why not all thunder squadrons have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 The first two pics show a jf 17 with AAR probe Gesendet von meinem BLA-L29 mit Tapatalk Exactly, trying to show we can’t realistically simulate a late block two squadron without that amount of variety. All those production numbers are after 229 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Here we go, 17-234 both with and without it’s AAR. Outside of mission editor option I don’t know how else it would be done on an individual plane basis Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Here we go, 17-234 both with and without it’s AAR. Outside of mission editor option I don’t know how else it would be done on an individual plane basis Ask the crew chief to add or remove it? New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Can the Block 2 load 6xSD-10? 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowFrost Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) Can the Block 2 load 6xSD-10? No, AFAIK. No hardpoint/pylon changes from blk 1 to 2. And I think any weight clearances were universal between blk 1 and 2. So no other changes either AFAIK (Not entirely sure on this one) Edited January 2, 2020 by ShadowFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 Can the Block 2 load 6xSD-10? There was this old poster for JF-17 indicated that at some point, at least it was planned to allow the inner pylons to carry SD-10. I don't know, but maybe we can do so with block II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 If we can’t carry C-701 on inner pylons because of smoke..... Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorban Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 There was this old poster for JF-17 indicated that at some point, at least it was planned to allow the inner pylons to carry SD-10. I don't know, but maybe we can do so with block II. I believe that poster is really old. Looks like the original FC1 aircraft from the intakes. The final jet model probably needed some changes to what we have now. Current Hangar : A-10C II ¦ AJS-37 ¦ A/V-8B ¦ F-14A/B ¦ F/A-18C ¦ FC3 ¦ JF-17 ¦ Ka-50 III ¦ Mi-8 ¦ M2000-C ¦ SA342 ¦ UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms ¦ Persian Gulf TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) OK, I have another idea. Not only we get the block I and II, we also need to have the Chinese Variant. I know some of you guys will be confused since JF-17 hasn't been accepted into the service of the Chinese military. Yes, true. But Chinese have some JF-17 as demonstrator. They use those aircraft to show the potential buyers how good JF-17 is. The Chinese variant has some advantage over the Pakistan version. For example: The Chinese JF-17 block II (FC-1) demonstrators have at least 3 advantages: 1: Helmet aiming sight for missiles. 2: WS-13 Engine 3: PL-8 and PL-9 missiles Pakistan didn't purchase those due to budget constrains. I think this will be good for Deka team if this is made, since it will be a good advertisement for JF-17. Edited January 4, 2020 by J-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 That would be very nice indeed, I like the idea :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 If it's real then bring it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Terrorban Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 OK, I have another idea. Not only we get the block I and II, we also need to have the Chinese Variant. I know some of you guys will be confused since JF-17 hasn't been accepted into the service of the Chinese military. Yes, true. But Chinese have some JF-17 as demonstrator. They use those aircraft to show the potential buyers how good JF-17 is. The Chinese variant has some advantage over the Pakistan version. For example: The Chinese JF-17 block II demonstrators have at least 3 advantages: 1: Helmet aiming sight for missiles. 2: WS-13 Engine 3: PL-8 and PL-9 missiles Pakistan didn't purchase those due to budget constrains. I think this will be good for Deka team if this is made, since it will be a good advertisement for JF-17. Got any sources for those JF-17 using WS-13 which the chinese are showing off? I would love to see what changes they had to do to the airframe to fit that engine. I cannot imagine it was a simple slot in the back hole kind of a deal. Even the intakes would need to be changed for it. The image you provided previously is a very early model. Current Hangar : A-10C II ¦ AJS-37 ¦ A/V-8B ¦ F-14A/B ¦ F/A-18C ¦ FC3 ¦ JF-17 ¦ Ka-50 III ¦ Mi-8 ¦ M2000-C ¦ SA342 ¦ UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms ¦ Persian Gulf TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) Got any sources for those JF-17 using WS-13 which the chinese are showing off? I would love to see what changes they had to do to the airframe to fit that engine. I cannot imagine it was a simple slot in the back hole kind of a deal. Even the intakes would need to be changed for it. The image you provided previously is a very early model. you can see there are some slight difference between the Chinese FC-1 on the left and the Pakistan JF-17 to the right. Edited January 4, 2020 by J-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I couldn't see a single difference between the two jets. Maybe I'm getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 I couldn't see a single difference between the two jets. Maybe I'm getting old. It appears that both are test aircraft. And it seems the one on the right is actually the WS-13. People were saying that RD-93 has full black muzzle while WS-13 has 2 coloured muzzles. Since both aircraft are at the same distance and at the same angle. When use a ruler on them, the one on the right is 1mm longer. I know this kind of measurement isn't accurate. Maybe Deka knows more on the topic. Also, there is this news https://web.archive.org/web/20100815001719/http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/china-and-pakistan-push-chengdu-jf-17-fighter-for-export-25788/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 well they are not the same distance and angle. there is guaranteed parallax between them as can be seen particularly if u focus on the spine region. and those kinda look like use marks to me. as in the engine on the right gets used more. the paint is scratching up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 well they are not the same distance and angle. there is guaranteed parallax between them as can be seen particularly if u focus on the spine region. and those kinda look like use marks to me. as in the engine on the right gets used more. the paint is scratching up. That maybe the case. Deka team should have the info on this topic. As long as they have the info, they can make them. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Also on the wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_WS-13 The 4th reference indicates so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder And the 3rd reference here is from "Jane's", which is usually creditable. But for some reason, I have hard time open those link. Give it a try, see if you have better luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorban Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) It appears that both are test aircraft. And it seems the one on the right is actually the WS-13. People were saying that RD-93 has full black muzzle while WS-13 has 2 coloured muzzles. Since both aircraft are at the same distance and at the same angle. When use a ruler on them, the one on the right is 1mm longer. I know this kind of measurement isn't accurate. Maybe Deka knows more on the topic. Also, there is this news https://web.archive.org/web/20100815001719/http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/china-and-pakistan-push-chengdu-jf-17-fighter-for-export-25788/ The two jets look like they are using the same engines. Same size and the colouring of the right one is what we have in DCS currently. As for the news article, I suppose the WS-13 seem like a backup measure in case the Russians pull the plug on their engine supply, which does not seem like the case so far so no point in adapting Work in Progress engine this early. Additionally, with you mentioning that Chinese advertising the jet, I see no claims of that anywhere since most (if not all) of the deals for this jet have gone through Pakistan representatives so far. But this is more off topic discussion so I won’t go into too much debate on it. Finally you mentioning that Chinese have version with the WS-13, HMD and all the other features, it makes sense naturally since they are developing the jet in China so there are bound to be a few prototypes. Since there is no official or solid proof of those jets with Chinese engine being in active service somewhere, there is no reason to bring it in DCS unless they now accept under development prototypes. This is just my take on the topic. I would love to see advanced features but I doubt we will be getting the block 3 version into DCS since if the news are accurate, they carry a bit more advanced sensors and components that Chinese currently use in their jets and we all know how strict they are with their active service tech. Edited January 6, 2020 by Terrorban Typos & Grammar Current Hangar : A-10C II ¦ AJS-37 ¦ A/V-8B ¦ F-14A/B ¦ F/A-18C ¦ FC3 ¦ JF-17 ¦ Ka-50 III ¦ Mi-8 ¦ M2000-C ¦ SA342 ¦ UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms ¦ Persian Gulf TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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