Which Cold War Era Model?

Definitely agree on the need for a little more variety in AA, but I'm sure that Pattons and T-55s are available in DCS.

The T-55 is but I guess could do with an update, the M60A3 though... :puke: - I mean it literally looks like a HL1 model...

Some absolutely cringe worthy terrible advice in here.

 

While many of the basic versions of the aircraft mentioned started their lives in the last year or two of the cold war the overwhelming majority mentioned are a decade or two newer due to major game changing avionics and weapon upgrades.

 

The cold war ended in 1989. And I'd personally love to see some 70's-90's AC in game. But almost nothing we have actually correctly fits.

 

The Harrier we have is some franken version from the early 2003-15 era, the 87 version was vastly less capable in some ways.

The Hornet is 2007+ As is the Viper. Again, vastly less capable.

The viggen is a 90's model (pre 90's no BK90's no ternav)

The B model F14 is from the 90's

The M2k as it stands is "latest" version in use by the ADA, so 2000's era

Even the F5 is based on a swiss F5E from the 90's due to the RWR which given its current opposition is a major advantage.

 

About the only actual Cold war era modules are:

Mig15

F86 (franken again)

Mig21 bis.

Mig19.

 

If you want to toss in FC3

A10A

Su25A

Mig29A/G

Su27

F15C (ish)

 

All of which are 80's era

 

Upcoming "cold war" modules

F14A (and even that will be the Late version) 2020?

Mig23MLA by Raz 2020? And given its Raz and a cuban model to work from, I think franken mig will be likely.

F4E IF ED decides to do it 202x?

F8J by M3 202x?

Mirage F1 aviodev 202x?

Capabilities wise the F5E is good enough to be representative for late 70s- into 80s, because its still representative of the technology that was already available back then ( not sure about all the F5E users that got RWR or when but Switzerland only 1 of them). I don't know if that rwr was installed for Swiss F5E's only as late as the 90s, but the ALR 87 is nothing more but a export version of one of ALR 46 models ( not sure but likely either ALR46 V3 or V4) . ALR 46 was 1970s tech already present in late 70's F4E Phantom as well as being the RWR eventually installed on the B52H ( not sure which year). Sure it has alpha numeric symobology as opposed to cruder analog RWR scopes displaying "strobes" of the 1960s-early 70s circa Vietnam but nonetheless is still less more antiquated than more modern RWR found on gen 4 jet from 80s- post cold war . such as the AN/ALR 67 for the Hornet/F14B or the AN/ALR56M on the F16C blk 50.

Similarly Taiwanese F5E's use said RWR ( not sure which but either ALR 87 or 46) plus AN/ALE40 CM dispensers as the Swiss F5E, however in the Taiwanese F5's the CM control panel is instead installed at the top end of the left hand console side above the throttle instead of the very end. The swiss F5E is unique because they had an INS systems, and digital radio set which IRRC were in house made avionics.

Regardless yea the F5E is a something franken jet as it was intended as well a marketed by ED/BST as a USAF aggressor model yet has avionics that were only present ( and installed in specific places as opposed to others ) for foreign users, but at the same time lacking others.

Yeah, but capability wise I'd say NVG's add alot of functionality that didn't exist in the cold war. I also though Raz re-did the radar so it was a newer version? Or did they just model it wrong the first time?

yea the new updated M2000C cockpit besides having higher textures is meant to represent a 21st century m2000c in a form still in use to present day by ADA

The only they had before was basically a late 80s-early 90s mod. There aren't substantial changes in the current day mirage 2000C. NVG compatible cockpit ( its darker) , updated ECM, and to add new digital radios, and what i also noticed some new + and - pushbutton for changing way points. If you don't use NVG's and ignore those few other incremental improvement, M2000C capability wise is essentially cold war jet.

Except I'm not if I'm using Ternav... Which has downstream implications for all naviatation and weapons employment related to navigation.

I mean you can turn Ternav off... the navigation system will still work it's just any corrections will need to be completely manual, then so long as you don't use the BK90 you've got essentially a cold war plane...

DCS F-16A... DCS PA-100 Tornado :S

I mean you can turn Ternav off... the navigation system will still work it's just any corrections will need to be completely manual, then so long as you don't use the BK90 you've got essentially a cold war plane...

Yes I know i can. The issue is that it cant be set server side, then you are on the honor system that folks turn it off.

Hornet first flight was in 1978 and in service from 1984 onward so definitely right in the thick of the cold war.

 

Same rationale goes for the F-15, 14, A-10...

The 2007 era hornet we have has far better avionics and capabilities the the 84 (A) version. One can kind of limit the weapons, but sensors, and avionics not so much. I mean, no link 16 AMPCD, no GPS, different and much less capable radar, Tpod, the 402 engines with more power, better radar, its an entirely different plane. The 2007 era F18C we have has more in common with the F18E superbug than the cold war jet. Similarly the 14B is barely cold war era (1.5 years service). The FC3 f15c and a10a do fit better though.

Tornado, Lightning, Buccaneer, close thread.

I'd say F-14, F-5, MiG-21.

F-18 avionics are too "post-Cold War" to make it remotely realistic. Same for F-16 (I'd love to see a proper small tail F-16A model).

Even the A-10C is too new. You'd need the A-10A for that.

This has been a revelation of knowledge. Than you everyone.

Sledge

Tornado, Lightning, Buccaneer, close thread.

The question was what is currently in DCS.