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hi, I always like to return to base after a mission, but sometimes I'm too far away to return to the base I came from, and I always have trouble finding nearby airfields when I'm somewhere without waypoints.

 

there isn't an easy to use gps at hand, the HSI map doesn't show you much information such as ils frequencies, or tacan, or a simple heading for the runway, or even comm frequencies.

 

I mean, there's a list of tacan frequencies in the database but they don't say anything, where are they from, etc.

 

I know I can just contact an airfield via radio and ask for directions, but I don't know which is which, which is closest, runway heading, and when there are two fields next to each other, I have no idea how to figure out which one I'm talking to. no instrument info either.

 

what I mean is, what if I'm in the middle of nowhere with low visibility and I just wanna land somewhere nearby?

 

am I just too used to civilian flight sim?

 

also, when I'm given instructions via radio such as Fly heading 240 for 45, what does the 45 mean? distance in nautical miles? if so, how do I know how many miles I've flown since that moment? (or at all)


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I set up a runway waypoint in flight then set 'course select' to line up to the given runway # and you're good to go.

 

 

Good old aviation nav math is what you'll need to use to figure distance travelled in a given time without having a waypoint.

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I always use TACAN to find the nearest field. You can also use the F-10 map. Use the ruler tool to find distance and heading to airfield. Then zoom in and run the ruler tool down the runway you intend to use. This will show what heading the runway is. Turn on the TACAN for that runway then set heading on HSI. Intercept the heading a couple miles back and turn into your approach. If no TACAN for that airfield set a manual waypoint for the center of the runway. Then set your heading.

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hi, I always like to return to base after a mission, but sometimes I'm too far away to return to the base I came from, and I always have trouble finding nearby airfields when I'm somewhere without waypoints.

Mission planning/notes and use the F10 map in place of a paper chart.

 

there isn't an easy to use gps at hand, the HSI map doesn't show you much information such as ils frequencies, or tacan, or a simple heading for the runway, or even comm frequencies.

The F10 map substitutes for paper charts, it has a ruler for measuring distances and True bearings. Clicking on an airport will give a list of nav aids and ATC frequencies for that airport.

I mean, there's a list of tacan frequencies in the database but they don't say anything, where are they from, etc.

I'm not sure which list/map you mean, you can add your own notes (.jpg, .png) to your kneeboard ("Saved Games\DCS\Kneeboard\FA-18C_hornet") if needed or use the F10 map.

 

I know I can just contact an airfield via radio and ask for directions, but I don't know which is which, which is closest,

The ATC at the top of the coms menu, is the closest (but may not be the one you wish to use), 2nd - 2nd closest, etc.

 

If you don't want to cheat using that, HSI > Data > A/C will give you your own Lat/Long position in Degrees and Decimal Minutes (DDM) - which you can use to look for on the F10 map using the mouse cursor.

runway heading,

When you talk to ATC, you have the name of the airfield and are given the active runway i.e. RWY 08 is on approx 080°

when there are two fields next to each other, I have no idea how to figure out which one I'm talking to. no instrument info either.

If you are not using 'easy coms', ATC will only reply if you are on their frequency (which you made a note of before takeoff or got via the F10 map airport info).

 

what I mean is, what if I'm in the middle of nowhere with low visibility and I just wanna land somewhere nearby?

 

Ok, you've messed up, the Hornet has FPAS that tells you how much fuel you have and your expected range - but I'll go with the flow and assume you've done no pre-planning and want to land for 'reasons'.

 

• HSI > Data > A/C for own position.

• Choose a suitable airfield from the F10 map that's close by.

• Look for ATC info via the F10 map including what nav aids it has

• If the airport doesn't have TACAN and isn't a pre-planned waypoint - get the airport Lat/Long/Alt and create a new steerpoint, add it to your flight plan and select it.

• Contact ATC for the active runway and guidance to the IAF (10-20 NM out) you may or may not want to fly that far out from the airfield.

• Get the runway bearing from the F10 map and set your approach course.

• Intercept the runway centre line (course line through the newly created waypoint) using 300-400 ft Alt per NM from the airport,

• Decision Height 600 ft / 1.5 NM visibility

 

This is a lot of work while running on fumes, which is why this stuff should be pre-planned and bingo set, etc., the first flight plan is the hardest as, after you've done one and perhaps found what works for DCS, alot can be copied and pasted to the next.

 

am I just too used to civilian flight sim?

 

I'm not sure, in the Harrier it'd have a database of pre-loaded theater nav aids and airports - that could be copied to an existing or new steerpoint to use for an INS update or to land in an emergency. Obviously, there's still need for paper charts etc. as a backup and 'just in case'.

 

The A-10C is also similar and it's feature is even modelled in DCS.

 

also, when I'm given instructions via radio such as Fly heading 240 for 45, what does the 45 mean? distance in nautical miles?

240 for 45 = 240°T for 45 NM

 

Note: ATC/AWACS gives True bearings, while the new carrier Air Boss uses Magnetic.

 

... if so, how do I know how many miles I've flown since that moment? (or at all)

The HSI shows your ground speed i.e. 360GS = 6 NM/min, 45/6 = 7:30 min, so you might expect to reach the runway's IAF in 7-8 minutes.

 

300GS = 5 NM/min, 240GS = 4 NM/min, etc., etc.

 

The IFEI Elapsed Time 'ET' button starts the stop watch, so you'll use that with your ground speed when using dead reckoning to estimate your position.


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Could be mistaking here (only use TACAN myself), but I think you can also request airfield azimuth (heading) from the radio/ATC menu.

 

Might be easy to use if you don't yet understand how to use TACAN

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The Hornet works with waypoints. Use the F10 map to obtain coordinates for an airport you want to fly to and enter them in your nav system. Your nav system also tells you your current position which you can use to find your position on the F10 map (if you set the game settings to not show your positon on the F10 map).

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I’m guessing you are like me and you don’t use the F10 map much. I fly in VR and hardly use the F10 map since it’s a break from immersion. I use the kneeboard a lot, and there are plenty of maps in the kneeboard and you can also add whatever you want to the kneeboards, just like in real life. DCS is quite realistic and if you really want to get into it, nothing beats preflight planning. A pilot always knows when to return due to fuel, where they are, and where the divert airfields are.

 

I’ll admit, I enjoy realism, but I often skip the preflight planning and just go for it, only in DCS, never IRL. I’ll usually run into the same problems you mentioned, but I deserve it at that point.

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hi, I always like to return to base after a mission, but sometimes I'm too far away to return to the base I came from, and I always have trouble finding nearby airfields when I'm somewhere without waypoints.

 

there isn't an easy to use gps at hand, the HSI map doesn't show you much information such as ils frequencies, or tacan, or a simple heading for the runway, or even comm frequencies.

 

I mean, there's a list of tacan frequencies in the database but they don't say anything, where are they from, etc.

 

I know I can just contact an airfield via radio and ask for directions, but I don't know which is which, which is closest, runway heading, and when there are two fields next to each other, I have no idea how to figure out which one I'm talking to. no instrument info either.

 

what I mean is, what if I'm in the middle of nowhere with low visibility and I just wanna land somewhere nearby?

 

am I just too used to civilian flight sim?

 

also, when I'm given instructions via radio such as Fly heading 240 for 45, what does the 45 mean? distance in nautical miles? if so, how do I know how many miles I've flown since that moment? (or at all)

 

 

You have all the info [see previous post] you need to input and use the F-18 technology to fly and land.

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hi, I always like to return to base after a mission, but sometimes I'm too far away to return to the base I came from, and I always have trouble finding nearby airfields when I'm somewhere without waypoints.

 

there isn't an easy to use gps at hand, the HSI map doesn't show you much information such as ils frequencies, or tacan, or a simple heading for the runway, or even comm frequencies.

 

I mean, there's a list of tacan frequencies in the database but they don't say anything, where are they from, etc.

 

I know I can just contact an airfield via radio and ask for directions, but I don't know which is which, which is closest, runway heading, and when there are two fields next to each other, I have no idea how to figure out which one I'm talking to. no instrument info either.

 

what I mean is, what if I'm in the middle of nowhere with low visibility and I just wanna land somewhere nearby?

 

am I just too used to civilian flight sim?

 

also, when I'm given instructions via radio such as Fly heading 240 for 45, what does the 45 mean? distance in nautical miles? if so, how do I know how many miles I've flown since that moment? (or at all)

 

 

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DCS need more realism with landings and ATC, not only in carrier's. I hope after finishing carrier module, they will rework ATC comms too.

 

 

 

+1

I remember very early versions had ATC bringing you in, telling you when to turn final, mentioning other aircraft in the area etc. Maybe as early as Locon or FC?

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