Aginor Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) Thanks! :D Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against PBR or other awesome visuals, but that's NOT the purpose of this thread. This is about gameplay. Effects for metal planes reflecting the sun are worth almost nothing if they don't enhance spotting distance (AI and players) for example. In real life something directly reflecting the sun can be spotted for three times as far as something with a camouflage paintjob. My questions are not about whether something looks cool, but about whether it matters for gameplay. Being pretty is just a bonus. EDIT Thanks Sith! EDIT Oh dammit... sorry. Edited May 11, 2017 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted May 11, 2017 ED Team Share Posted May 11, 2017 EDIT Thanks Sith! Life time achievement reached, being mistaken for Sithspawn :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112th_Rossi Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Thanks! :D Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against PBR or other awesome visuals, but that's NOT the purpose of this thread. This is about gameplay. Effects for metal planes reflecting the sun are worth almost nothing if they don't enhance spotting distance (AI and players) for example. In real life something directly reflecting the sun can be spotted for three times as far as something with a camouflage paintjob. My questions are not about whether something looks cool, but about whether it matters for gameplay. Being pretty is just a bonus. EDIT Thanks Sith! PBR is the best way to get things looking realistic. When things look realistic it enhances gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 Life time achievement reached, being mistaken for Sithspawn :) OH NOES! Sorry Bignewy. I just saw a Vader helmet and my brain said Vader=Sith. I like both of you! :) @112th Rossi: Perhaps we have different definitions of gameplay, but I strongly disagree with your second statement. PBR is great though. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 11, 2017 ED Team Share Posted May 11, 2017 OH NOES! Sorry Bignewy. I just saw a Vader helmet and my brain said Vader=Sith. I like both of you! :) @112th Rossi: Perhaps we have different definitions of gameplay, but I strongly disagree with your second statement. PBR is great though. Its still relevant to thank me for anything he does, I take credit for it all :P Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 OH NOES! Sorry Bignewy. I just saw a Vader helmet and my brain said Vader=Sith. I like both of you! :) @112th Rossi: Perhaps we have different definitions of gameplay, but I strongly disagree with your second statement. PBR is great though. As you said, it enhances gameplay if the PBR reflections make the view distances more realistic. And yes, the distances are more about LOD issues and the engines rendering distance... but if applied to all LOD:s, it should affect the visibility of different objects. Some may show up better, while others may disappear into ground clutter for example. DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAITH Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) OH NOES! Sorry Bignewy. I just saw a Vader helmet and my brain said Vader=Sith. I like both of you! :) Oh men, Aginor, bro ...... LoL..... :megalol: @112th Rossi: Perhaps we have different definitions of gameplay, but I strongly disagree with your second statement. PBR is great though. Yeah, I saw this Thread discussion pop and didn't bother to check it out a while back here............ https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=175319 WoW ha more here CODINGLABS - PBR Link:- http://www.codinglabs.net/default.aspx I think its good going down this path adding more modern gaming technologies for a sim. It certainly will bring life in effects and other benefits, perfect for carrier deck ops :thumbup: Edited May 11, 2017 by WRAITH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 As you said, it enhances gameplay if the PBR reflections make the view distances more realistic. And yes, the distances are more about LOD issues and the engines rendering distance... but if applied to all LOD:s, it should affect the visibility of different objects. Some may show up better, while others may disappear into ground clutter for example. Ok I can agree with that. Still not one of the bigger contributing factors I think, but it could help. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Ok I can agree with that. Still not one of the bigger contributing factors I think, but it could help. Small streams make up a large river in the end. And this is a simulation, no? Therefore a move toward certain level of pictorial realism is in order. That might also have unexpected gameplay effects. I for one believe this might have a certain effect in dogfights with WWII aircraft, since objects that are very bright tend to look larger/closer by than dark objects. That, in theory, might misplace a shot in just the right circumstances. Yes, yes, it is a stretch. But, again, it's the small things... DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Ok I can agree with that. Still not one of the bigger contributing factors I think, but it could help. http://www.mudspike.com/preview-of-dcs-normandy-1944-and-wwii-assets-pack/ https://forums.mudspike.com/t/f86f-skins-in-dcs-2-x/4107 PBR + Deferred Shading. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Deferred Shading and PBR are amazing... SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 http://www.mudspike.com/preview-of-dcs-normandy-1944-and-wwii-assets-pack/ https://forums.mudspike.com/t/f86f-skins-in-dcs-2-x/4107 PBR + Deferred Shading. Yeah I know. I am a regular Mudspiker. But does it affect gameplay? Will it affect LOD2 for example? And AI spotting? That's the topic of this thread. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Yeah I know. I am a regular Mudspiker. But does it affect gameplay? Will it affect LOD2 for example? And AI spotting? That's the topic of this thread. As it affects the contrast/reflection on plane hulls, it should obviously affect the ability to spot a plane over ground... That is what it seems to do when I look at the videos. It is a subtle change, but noticeable. And as said before, if it makes the look of objects and their respective reflections more realistic it will impact gameplay. On the other hand, that does mean a drab olive painted plane will be harder to spot against the ground, than a shiny metal one and it should help spot targets higher over the ground as the light reflection angle is different from the reflection angle on the ground, even if colors match perfectly. What I Love about PBR is, it isn't another CPU/GPU intense computation on top of what is done already, it is just a different computation from better information that uses the same amount of performance to achieve a better result. I love that! :) Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solty Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 To me the most important are sparks from hits, smoke, vapour, tracers, fire all connected to a new DM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 Thats an important point. IMO much more important than PBR. But hey if it doesn't hurt performance and doesn't use programmer time go for it of course. :) One of my biggest hopes right now is that contrails and clouds become more realistic, (again, not necessarily graphically, mainly the rest) which will also greatly improve the whole spotting thing. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) I just read this thread and thought: Yeah, why not. Canopy damage and its consequences. I would probably not make it the highest priority, but I can imagine some gameplay aspects there that could really be interesting, especially when flying jets, fast and/or at high altitude. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=189316 EDIT: And yes, this is still a list of questions for Wags and/or ED developers. I really want to know what of this is planned or maybe even implemented already. Come on Wags, you said you'd like to talk about a few of those questions almost a year ago. :) Edited June 19, 2017 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Hey y'all! With 2.5. Just around the corner I'd like to kindly ask if you would like to answer one or two of the questions maybe? It would make waiting much easier... 1 DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Yup.. I'm interested in knowing when the over wing vapor is going to be released, maybe with the Hornet or 2.5 release? SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texac Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Wags told us we can expect more news regarding 2.5 in the coming weeks and itself so perhaps we also hear about all the new visual effects. - My Skins/Liveries - Improved F-16C Texture Template • Texac on YouTube • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haukka81 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 I hope that this is not too off topic, maybe we get info about spotting in 2.5 ? When they get news out. I will go crazy (in good way) if VR spottings gets better. Hell, im already making new pit just because 2.5 ( and finally talked wife over it, lots of money spend but now i can build ) Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Yeah some of the visuals can have a big impact on gameplay under certain conditions (over wing vapor for example can be very useful to tell hat your opponent is starting to pull some Gs) which is why I don't say "meh only visuals" when talking about them. @Haukka: Spotting is a huge topic indeed. Things like reflections from the sun (or being blinded by it) or contrails on different altitudes will make that a lot more interesting (and in some cases easier I guess, especially for the low resolution guys like VR users). DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav IRL Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I agree with all posters reading effects, they add so much immersion, can't be overlooked! 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Visual effects are also part of the simulation, let's not forget the fact that DCS is an entertainment version of TBS ;) SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Visual effects are also part of the simulation Indeed. Visual effects seem to be ignored or downplayed by some with the premise of "it is about the combat and the systems, not the looks", but they fail to realize that the effects play a role in the combat and system usage. Some effects aid, some hinder - like canopy scratches, the HUD unreadable due to the sun or bright lights, displays being illegible due to high-g buffeting etc. There are a lot more factors in the thing we try to simulate here than some admit. Aircraft abd air combat are not sterile environments at all when it comes to effects and what they cause. Regards, MikeMikeJuliet DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 hi guys, this is a quick demo of the new explosion effects. FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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