cubanace Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 The pilot missed an AIM-9X at 0.6 miles from the target... then used a 120? That's just... wow! I need the Tacview file! :D He missed a short range missile at 0.6 miles, and then hit the target using a medium range missile... lol My guess is that one Super Hornet fired the 9 X and it missed and another hornet fired the AIM-120,i dont think a aim-120 will track at such short range? or it has time to go active? 0.6 miles that is really short range for a Aim-120,never seen that one b4. lol SU-57 Discord https://discord.gg/kVUEak6b66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) The 120 IRL is NOTHING like what we've seen in the sim. You're talking 40g missile with real guidance and a real "flight model" - 200,000ft, 3,000ft, who cares, you're still in the DLZ! :D Gonna speculate out my rear here...9X fired from conversion/TC entry and 120 when saddled up. Edited June 21, 2017 by Sweep added spoiler for the guessing bit Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frixon28 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Why would they shoot at .6 miles away? Things arent adding up here, I think it wouldmbe best just to wait for the official report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Why would they shoot at .6 miles away? 3,500ft... Not exactly unrealistic for any merge/intercept. Especially considering the overall scenario of The Sandbox. Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Just in case you haven't seen or read the news about Syria for the last 6 years: There's a civil war going on in Syria since 2011 with a death toll estimated to be at least 400,000 killed in the revolt against the Assad regime that has been in power since November 1970 (not elected, but through violent coupe). So to that end, a Syrian Su-22 flying in Syrian airspace has all the reasons to expect to be fired upon, first and foremost from his own people (Syrians of the various resistance affiliations) that he was most probably sent to bomb. The way I see it is that the message is very clear from the USA: If your'e not there to bomb ISIS, expect to be shot down. They got away with it once, Quite a cocky move. But as a certain person once said , "Fool me once, Shame on you, Fool me twice... you cant fool me again." ;) I think they know they wouldn't get away with such a bold move so easily again if they know their going to be expecting them. Another Super Hornet may not get Scott free kill again over Syrian Airspace again if Russia Decides to start scrambling Su30SM and or SU35's From thier Syrian bases in response; to back their "allied" partner over there when US or Nato Aircraft fly over. even if its just a show of force, as simply as a mere precaution to start escorting Syrian Fighter-bomber on routine missions, just in case. of course then the logical response will be to start sending raptors instead, as another level of deterrent if this occurs. but problem is this is risking further escalation. and thats a slippery slope. Edited June 21, 2017 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyboPops Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 3,500ft... Not exactly unrealistic for any merge/intercept. Especially considering the overall scenario of The Sandbox. Bingo. ROE over there are almost guaranteed to require VID, and against an ancient Su-22 the best way to do that would be a stern conversion. That said, I'm not convinced that firing an x-ray from .6nm and then following it up with a slammer is actually what occurred. Edited June 21, 2017 by RyboPops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=101101 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Bingo. ROE over there are almost guaranteed to require VID, and against an ancient Su-22 the best way to do that would be a stern conversion. That said, I'm not convinced that firing an x-ray from .6nm and then following it up with a slammer is actually what occurred. +1. 9X misses from 1km so you take a slammer...hmm. What does that make the pK of the 9X now?:) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ce_Zeta Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) They got away with it once, Quite a cocky move. But as a certain person once said , "Fool me once, Shame on you, Fool me twice... you cant fool me again." ;) I think they know they wouldn't get away with such a bold move so easily again if they know their going to be expecting them. Another Super Hornet may not get Scott free kill again over Syrian Airspace again if Russia Decides to start scrambling Su30SM and or SU35's From thier Syrian bases in response; to back their "allied" partner over there when US or Nato Aircraft fly over. even if its just a show of force, as simply as a mere precaution to start escorting Syrian Fighter-bomber on routine missions, just in case. of course then the logical response will be to start sending raptors instead, as another level of deterrent if this occurs. but problem is this is risking further escalation. and thats a slippery slope. It's not the logical response, it's the dangerous response. If the Syrians send bombers escorted by Russian fighters over the Syrian Airspace and USA respond sending Raptors...A quick and dangerous escalation is assured. USA must respect the sovereign of the Republic of Syria in the same terms they respect Saudi, Kuwait and Qatar sovereign. What's happen if a Su-35S shot down a Rhino over Alaska? :music_whistling: Edited June 21, 2017 by Ce_Zeta [sIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/YexElgV.jpg[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe_goodoldrebel Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 http://theaviationgeekclub.com/breaking-case-wondering-u-s-navy-super-hornet-squadron-shot-syrian-su-22-fitter-find-answer/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=postplanner&utm_source=facebook.com AIM9 Missed at .6nm and Pilot used AIM120 From what I read isn't clear that the Hornet shot the 120 from 0.6nm... not even to mention that there were 2 SU22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 +1. 9X misses from 1km so you take a slammer...hmm. What does that make the pK of the 9X now?:) Lol they should put 120s on the wingtips now like we could/can in DCS. :D Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Lol they should put 120s on the wingtips now like we could/can in DCS. :D AIM120s are Too heavy to be placed on Hornet Wingtip LAU127s Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 AIM120s are Too heavy to be placed on Hornet Wingtip LAU127s i believe that was tacitly acknowledged with the tongue in cheek nature of the comment :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OnlyforDCS Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 http://theaviationgeekclub.com/breaking-case-wondering-u-s-navy-super-hornet-squadron-shot-syrian-su-22-fitter-find-answer/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=postplanner&utm_source=facebook.com AIM9 Missed at .6nm and Pilot used AIM120 Yup. Sounds legit. :smilewink: Just in case you were wondering, but too lazy to follow Skate's link: This "information" regarding the missile use is brought to you by aviation expert, and photopgrapher Tom Cooper. If I remember correctly this Tom Cooper dude, is the same dude who made some pretty outlandish claims in the past. 1 Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaeagle Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 3,500ft... Not exactly unrealistic for any merge/intercept. Especially considering the overall scenario of The Sandbox. Not for an AIM-9X shot perhaps, but word is that the AIM-120 has a minimum engagement range of some 2200 yards, which is about 6600 ft....so :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Not for an AIM-9X shot perhaps, but word is that the AIM-120 has a minimum engagement range of some 2200 yards, which is about 6600 ft....so :) Sources? Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) +1. 9X misses from 1km so you take a slammer...hmm. What does that make the pK of the 9X now?:) the original report states that it was a sidewinder, I saw no 9X specified. The 9M can indeed miss against the sun baked terrain in some circumstances, however another reason that might prompt a 120 launch is that the target was not sufficiently damaged by the sidewinder (there were similar accounts in the gulf war 9L's not doing enough damage and a sparrow launch followed to finish it off). Edited June 21, 2017 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaeagle Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Sources? None official(usually not very informative concerning specs), so I cannot say whether its correct or not, but IMO it does sound quite plausible. Radar guided missiles are LOAL and usually require a little fly-out time to "set up" and locate the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyboPops Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 the original report states that it was a sidewinder, I saw no 9X specified. Where is this report you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceFuel85 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I don't believe the official report has been released.. Just Tom Cooper doing Tom Cooper stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangi Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) According to flight global the F-18E squadron on Bush is the tomcatters so at least that part of the aviation geek story may be incorrect(the war is boring story doesn't say what aviation geek says it does either, may have changed). https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-syrian-shoot-down-marks-first-kill-for-supe-438430/ Edited June 21, 2017 by Rangi Clarification PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyboPops Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I don't believe the official report has been released.. Just Tom Cooper doing Tom Cooper stuff. Definitely not a reliable sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyboPops Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 According to flight global the F-18E squadron on Bush is the tomcatters so at least that part of the war is boring story may be incorrect. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-syrian-shoot-down-marks-first-kill-for-supe-438430/ VFA-87 is aboard as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Here is more details: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/us-syria-russia-dogfight/index.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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