Jester986 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 So I love the 101 and do some mission building for it. If it could carry GBU-12s it would really increase it's utility. Now I know it never has in real life, but the way I see it bomb lugs are bomb lugs so it should be able to eyeball it close enough if there's a Jtac or buddy lase and when I'm in the fictional USAF skin you know they would have figured it out... Obviously it's the Devs module and if they don't want to corrupt it with a fictional loadout that's their decision. I thought I might see what the rest of you think though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 They've never been implemented on that bird and so it should be the same in DCS, regardless of hypothetical technical possibilities. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 It already has a fictional weapon with the Sea Eagle, no need to add another fictional one. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just real weapons, if the Sea Eagle is fictional too, please remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) Just real weapons, if the Sea Eagle is fictional too, please remove it. There have been some Sea Eagle tests with chilean air force C-101s, but it has never been integrated for actual service afaik. Edited February 21, 2019 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvii-Dietrich Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just real weapons, if the Sea Eagle is fictional too, please remove it. There have been some Sea Eagle tests with chilean air force C-101s, but it has never been integrated for actual service afaik. There are some photographs of the Sea Eagle on the C-101CC on page 13 of the flight manual that comes with the module. Personally, I really like how the devs have implemented it in the sim. You can do neat weapons-test flights or set-up very specific scenarios, but it is not a general purpose "kill-anything-that-floats" mission breaker that will lay waste to the multiplayer scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitriKozlowsky Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Sadly, bomb lugs are not bomb lugs. Every weapon, every variant of the weapon, needs be cleared for every variant of every aircraft to carry the munition, on every station that the munition would be carried. On YT there are many videos of separation tests, with more then few having bad results. Like bomb that , when released, flies upward and collides with launch platform. Zuni would fire, with safety on, when pylon is powered on, and so on. A-4, F-111, and F-15E had notorious reputations with certain weapons. The release mechanism also has to be compatible aircraft electric system and emergency jettison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Sadly, bomb lugs are not bomb lugs. Every weapon, every variant of the weapon, needs be cleared for every variant of every aircraft to carry the munition, on every station that the munition would be carried. On YT there are many videos of separation tests, with more then few having bad results. Like bomb that , when released, flies upward and collides with launch platform. Zuni would fire, with safety on, when pylon is powered on, and so on. A-4, F-111, and F-15E had notorious reputations with certain weapons. The release mechanism also has to be compatible aircraft electric system and emergency jettison. True enough.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I Just do not understand people that say No to a new possibility. OK, so its not realistic, so DO NOT USE IT, or BAN it in your server. But why the need to limit everybody to some sort of primordial value only a few share... Specially when the whole DCS thing is pure fiction, you have been flying an A-10 in GEORGIA! for the last 10 years and no A-10 ever flew over the skys of Georgia! (as in the Caucasus, not the State)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max2 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I Just do not understand people that say No to a new possibility. OK, so its not realistic, so DO NOT USE IT, or BAN it in your server. But why the need to limit everybody to some sort of primordial value only a few share... Specially when the whole DCS thing is pure fiction, you have been flying an A-10 in GEORGIA! for the last 10 years and no A-10 ever flew over the skys of Georgia! (as in the Caucasus, not the State)... Yet an A-10 is perfectly capable of flying over Georgia, or any country for that matter. You're not going to see it carrying AMRAAM's though. Your lumping something that is possible with something that isn't. In DCS if it is possible, chances are you will see it. If it's not then you wont. Strapping whatever munition you want to any aircraft is not possible. DCS is where it is today because of it's attention to realism. The "few" that you claim care about it are in fact the many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The word "Posible" is key here. If ever needed maybe it could. I will not debate further I also believe that no trainer would ever get LGBS, since it would seam a waste of resources. Then again, Countries with lesser airforces tend to try new things there was a program in argentina )that didi not propsper) to give the A-4AR an indigenouse targeting POD and laser guided weapons... Posible. but it did not happen. Then again the AR is the msot modern aircraft we have still fliying...)hell its teeh Only one :´( besides our indigenouse trainer IA 68 Pampa witch we are trying to convert into a light attack plane)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananabrai Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Yet an A-10 is perfectly capable of flying over Georgia, or any country for that matter. You're not going to see it carrying AMRAAM's though. Your lumping something that is possible with something that isn't. In DCS if it is possible, chances are you will see it. If it's not then you wont. Strapping whatever munition you want to any aircraft is not possible. DCS is where it is today because of it's attention to realism. The "few" that you claim care about it are in fact the many. I am totally standing behind Baco here. I work right in this kind of spot for the industry. When war comes. Things get a lot faster integrated that anybody would think. Speaking generally, certain stations are designed to carry certain types of stores. It is then up to the customer (UASF, GAF, CAF, NAVY, etc.) to test the behavior of a release, etc. I like realistic settings as well, but it still should be up to the mission builder. AMRAAM and A-10, bad example. You are missing radar, BUS, electric, etc. integration here. Take something like A-10/F-5/UH-1 and AGM-87. I don't know what people loose if you give someone a little "addon" to play. This is not Germany in 1944... Alias in Discord: Mailman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cercata Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 It already has a fictional weapon with the Sea Eagle, no need to add another fictional one. It's not the same fictional than experimental ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just mod them in yourselves if you want them so badly. But don't expect the dev team to add stuff that doesn't exist IRL. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontiuka Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I don't have a strong opinion either way but I'd prefer the devs just work on completing the core stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zius Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I am totally standing behind Baco here. I work right in this kind of spot for the industry. When war comes. Things get a lot faster integrated that anybody would think. True, but the country involved does need some kind of basic capability. I think that capability could be lacking in several countries. Of the C-101 operators (Spain, Chile, Jordan, Honduras), I think only Spain has that capability for sure, but they don't need to arm their C-101's to that extent because they have Eurofighters and Hornets. Similarly Chile and Jordan have F-16's. That leaves Honduras, but I'm pretty sure that they can't modify the C-101 sufficiently to integrate LGB's. Modules: Bf 109, C-101, CE-II, F-5, Gazelle, Huey, Ka-50, Mi-8, MiG-15, MiG-19, MiG-21, Albatros, Viggen, Mirage 2000, Hornet, Yak-52, FC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max2 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 AMRAAM and A-10, bad example. I wasn't suggesting AMRAAM's on A-10's is equivalent to GBU-12's on a C-101. I was making a point that an aircraft flying in a region it hasn't in real life is not the same as an aircraft carrying munitions it can't in real life. One is possible, the other isn't. ie: There is nothing technically stopping the hog from flying in Georgia IRL, yet there is plenty stopping it from carrying incompatible loads. Yes, aircraft can be refit, and I would assume in wartime this would be done pretty rapidly like you suggest. In this case though it's just hypothetical, as the C-101 was never refit to carry GBU-12's. At the end of the day guys, DCS doesn't hang their hat on hypothetical's, close enough's, or what if's. The foundation for this game is realism at a level not seen anywhere else. That's why you pay $50-$70 for aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kongamato Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I would prefer more variety in unguided weapons, like the Mk-81, bombs with high-drag tails, etc. GBUs are not funny to use if you can't find and iluminate yourself the target with the electro-optical pod. I never use them in the F-5E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaser Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 My 101 looks like a Gosshawk - now to get a hook :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 My 101 looks like a Gosshawk - now to get a hook :) What happened to that skin chaser? I haven't seen it on user files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Sadly, bomb lugs are not bomb lugs. Every weapon, every variant of the weapon, needs be cleared for every variant of every aircraft to carry the munition, on every station that the munition would be carried. On YT there are many videos of separation tests, with more then few having bad results. Like bomb that , when released, flies upward and collides with launch platform. Zuni would fire, with safety on, when pylon is powered on, and so on. A-4, F-111, and F-15E had notorious reputations with certain weapons. The release mechanism also has to be compatible aircraft electric system and emergency jettison. Long story short, I've been taking a crash course in aerodynamics lately, and this falls into the line of the one of the first things I kearned : little changes make a big difference =) Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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