Supmua Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I’m very interested. This would be the definitive way to fly just like the force feedback wheels for racing sims. Too bad it’s for the Chinese market only, patent issues? PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toutenglisse Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Maybe a safer business approach -ironing on local market first ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Hopefully this will be available worldwide by next year. Otherwise, I might have to settle with a Brunner CLS-E which is a bit more than I'd like to spend. Wonder how well it would work with an extension tube though, as far as I know the Brunner base appears to be fine with that. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zcaa0g Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I don't see much point to the Brunner unless it supports IL2 or DCS and preferably both. I like civ sims, but prefer using a yoke since most of those aircraft have yokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 From conversation with an owner on Reddit, the F-14 and P-51 are well supported with nice force feedback effects. Most planes especially FBW ones are mostly sterile. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 From conversation with an owner on Reddit, the F-14 and P-51 are well supported with nice force feedback effects. Most planes especially FBW ones are mostly sterile. Some FBW aircraft have sticks similar to force feedback. In RL Hornet for example the stick strength changes in different aircraft configurations...but I don’t think ed implemented it...the hornet has force built also in the pedals. Other FBW aircraft has just a spring stick similar to our sticks usually with more strength needed to fully extend it. R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I don't see much point to the Brunner unless it supports IL2 or DCS and preferably both. I like civ sims, but prefer using a yoke since most of those aircraft have yokes. Yea Brunner needs to make a DirectX FFB mode already. Hopefully The New 500# Gorilla 2020 will encourage them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidRider Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 "The New 500# Gorilla 2020" ? What is this you're referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aniron Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 "The New 500# Gorilla 2020" ? What is this you're referring to? Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, I presume? What else could attract millions of customers and several hundred 3rd party partners... PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Hopefully we will have soon a ffb stick with proper forces R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propeler Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Hopefully we will have soon a ffb stick with proper forces Hopefully :music_whistling: Mechanical part is ready. Firmware is on final approach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 The market would really need a new push for a Force Feedback joysticks and wheels now when the patent is old and gone.... But I wouldn't take anymore anything mechanical, just magnetic forces. Why I am making my own :D i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Hopefully :music_whistling: Mechanical part is ready. Firmware is on final approach... Mmm.....interesting R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom_Mark Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 watching and hoping........MSFFB2 is still going strong tho :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markturner1960 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Would this accept thrustmaster grips? System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces seat Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's, TEDAC Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Would this accept thrustmaster grips? It uses the same type of connector. However, at that price point it isn’t that much cheaper than the Brunner. So, unless this offers some novel features it would be a tough call for me, since Brunner has a long-standing reputation with proven support and reliability. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markturner1960 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 It would be great to see some kind of review of it being used in DCS, preferably the hornet..... System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces seat Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's, TEDAC Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 It would be great to see some kind of review of it being used in DCS, preferably the hornet..... I don’t know much about this one but there is a guy in Brunner forum who uses the CLS-E with Realsim’s F-18 grip and according to him it is a perfect combo. I don’t think FFB is well supported in DCS with Brunner’s device unless you fly F-14 (Heatblur really went above and beyond on this one for FFB support) or WW II planes, that is why I’m still waiting to see who would have the best solution for DCS. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirusAM Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I don’t know much about this one but there is a guy in Brunner forum who uses the CLS-E with Realsim’s F-18 grip and according to him it is a perfect combo. I don’t think FFB is well supported in DCS with Brunner’s device unless you fly F-14 (Heatblur really went above and beyond on this one for FFB support) or WW II planes, that is why I’m still waiting to see who would have the best solution for DCS. Yeah...for FBW aircraft FFB is not indispensable. But some real life FBW jets have effects similar to Force Feedback. Just the Hornet is an example of this...both on the stick and the pedals. Of course it doesn't shake when buffeting, but it changes its behavior depending on the FCS configuration... So if properly implemented by ED a FFB stick would be worth it. R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealDCSpilot Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) Brunner CLS-E's problem is the lacking Direct Input FFB support. They have to use telemetry data from DCS which is missing several effects. However a good old MS Sidewinder or a Logitech G940 is perfectly working in DCS (except the Gazelle). You have FFB for trim forces (trimming moves the stick) and extras like stalling or runway bumps. The absolute best are helicopters, here you have fantastic force trim support - makes DCS the best Heli sim out there. Playing DCS without an FFB stick is like playing a racing sim without FFB on the wheel. You are missing a lot, sadly... It's about time for a new gen of FFB sticks... Edited September 3, 2020 by Alec Delorean 1 i9 13900K @5.5GHz, Z790 Gigabyte Aorus Master, RTX4090 Waterforce, 64 GB DDR5 @5600, Pico 4, HOTAS & Rudder: all Virpil with Rhino FFB base made by VPforce, DCS: all modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Crash Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 A FFB base that could take a WH stick that was cheaper than a Brunner would be a big seller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Brunner CLS-E's problem is the lacking Direct Input FFB support. They have to use telemetry data from DCS which is missing several effects. However a good old MS Sidewinder or a Logitech G940 is perfectly working in DCS (except the Gazelle). You have FFB for trim forces (trimming moves the stick) and extras like stalling or runway bumps. The absolute best are helicopters, here you have fantastic force trim support - makes DCS the best Heli sim out there. Playing DCS without an FFB stick is like playing a racing sim without FFB on the wheel. You are missing a lot, sadly... It's about time for a new gen of FFB sticks...I agree. I've had my MS FFB2 for some months now. Was a game changer for helos. Working fine for me in the Gazelle though. What's wrong there? Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Anyway, there's a truly lack of FFB in DCS for some modules (airplanes), and the effects don't seem to be "equally" implemented through the modules. I've found that for me, one of the best are actually the free MB-339. Cheers! Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 A FFB base that could take a WH stick that was cheaper than a Brunner would be a big seller.Totally!! Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindBorn Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 any new updates in 2021, it looked promising but no new information on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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