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DCS ground AI has no issue engaging fast moving helicopters or fighter jets without fail and with great accuracy, This is the real issue. Mi-8 or F-16 does not matter, it will make swiss cheese out of you at low level flight. IRL most of those vehicles would try to escape or hide if knowing they are approached by a gunship or jet.

 

Imagine sitting cramped up in a BTR, BMP or T-72. Then be able to spot a fast moving helicopter at low level. Even if you somehow manage to spot it in time the guns need to turned towards the target and lead properly.

 

Even if the Mi-8 can be tweaked further, the real issue is ground AI engaging fast moving targets

with great speed and accuracy. I do expect AAA, Shilkas, Igla teams etc. to be a real threat,

not personnel carriers, tanks and such vehicles :huh:

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DCS ground AI has no issue engaging fast moving helicopters or fighter jets without fail and with great accuracy, This is the real issue. Mi-8 or F-16 does not matter, it will make swiss cheese out of you at low level flight. IRL most of those vehicles would try to escape or hide if knowing they are approached by a gunship or jet.

 

Imagine sitting cramped up in a BTR, BMP or T-72. Then be able to spot a fast moving helicopter at low level. Even if you somehow manage to spot it in time the guns need to turned towards the target and lead properly.

 

Even if the Mi-8 can be tweaked further, the real issue is ground AI engaging fast moving targets

with great speed and accuracy. I do expect AAA, Shilkas, Igla teams etc. to be a real threat,

not personnel carriers, tanks and such vehicles :huh:

 

Correct. Every AI in the game is sharp shooter. very annoying. they never miss

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I'm trying to get similar changes done to ground units that we did with aircraft.

 

 

That would be great. :thumbup:

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Seems relevant:

Not really, as Cap didn't even know where/what the armour was.

 

In the youtube comments Cap says he'll retest.

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I was more thinking of the fact that he shot at the cockpit and an engine died from it.

 

Hmmm, that might be a global thing, I just requested a fix for that while testing the new DM, it was weird that anytime the pilot died or was required to bail the engine stops. I will test the Mi-8 with that.

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Hey Nineline,

 

 

So this issue has been apparent since late 2018.

 

 

 

Is there any update on ED's official stance on the Mi8 damage model? :inv:

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I notice since flying the Hip last night (2/4/20) that the thing seems far more robust -hadn't used it for a few weeks 'in action' but last night I was hit by 3 bursts from a BTR and only on the last hits did I start to experience any problems.

 

 

Previously, a bloke with a poorly maintained AK-47 could easily shoot down an Mi-8 from a mile away...

 

 

Looks like it's about where it should be now damage-wise?

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I disagree.

 

 

 

Sadly, singular AK bullets that hit the main fuselage or the belly of the aircraft still cause engine failures for me.

 

 

When I get some time I'll do some testing and compile some video footage.

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I disagree.

 

Sadly, singular AK bullets that hit the main fuselage or the belly of the aircraft still cause engine failures for me.

 

When I get some time I'll do some testing and compile some video footage.

 

 

Dusty, you got the last OB patch? (sorry, I should have mentioned that) This is thus not yet updated on the regular game AFAIK.

 

 

I tested it again today, and had a hovering gun battle (door gunner me) against a platoon of AK armed geezers -about 1/2 click distant and it lasted about 30 secs -I killed some of them but yes, at that point -and after MANY hits from them, my Hip did splutter and go in.

 

 

But, this was impossible previously.

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Would not be this damage model "update" officially announced somehow if it happens? :huh:

 

Would appreciate "some few words" about it from the devs, if it is the case and the damage model has been updated, then, what has exactly changed?

 

 

Often, we don't get any word on these changes, which is a shame. But I have tested this pretty thoroughly now and there is deffinately (in Open beta) a change to the damage model.

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Often, we don't get any word on these changes, which is a shame. But I have tested this pretty thoroughly now and there is deffinately (in Open beta) a change to the damage model.

 

Good to hear this!

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Often, we don't get any word on these changes, which is a shame. But I have tested this pretty thoroughly now and there is deffinately (in Open beta) a change to the damage model.

How did you test this? I fly the Mi-8 quite often and can only confirm what the main post of this thread has proclaimed. The DM of the Mi-8 is really frustrating. Some hits by some infantires and a number of system failures is underway.

This is a very known old issue with this module and still no progress. Come on, son!

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How did you test this? I fly the Mi-8 quite often and can only confirm what the main post of this thread has proclaimed. The DM of the Mi-8 is really frustrating. Some hits by some infantires and a number of system failures is underway.

This is a very known old issue with this module and still no progress. Come on, son!

 

 

Hi Alpenwolf -I cannot say my testing was done scientifically, but I have flown the Hip ever since it was introduced, and as such I am well aquainted with how easy it was to shoot down since then.

Be sure though I only fly using (and have installed only) the openbeta and it is only since the last updates, that I became aware of the change. I have deliberately flown into danger with the Hip against lighter threats -Infantry, BTR and BMP- and having taken many hits as such, am basing my opinion on these flights only. The difference is quite clear in the flights since the last updates, whereas before the Mi-8 was still very vulnerable.

I might be wrong, but I don't think so, and cannot see why my experiences would be so 'obvious' if it weren't for the fact that they have changed something.

BTW I do wish someone in the team would confirm or deny this...:doh::)

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Ok, that's weird though. Haven't read anything regarding updates for the DM of the Mi-8 in any of the change logs announced by ED over the last months or even maybe years unless I overlooked it which is a possibility.

 

You survive many BMP shots, you say?! Either the shots seem to always hit the tyres of your landing gear which would cause no system failures or you're pretty damn lucky.

 

I'm not ridiculing your feedback, mate, just surprised by the results is all.

A confirmation from ED would solve all the riddles regarding many issues concerning different modules, but they rarely do if at all. Disappointing to be honest, although I understand the policy behind it. However, I think do they've taking it to the extreme a bit.

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Might be worth me just mentioning that I ammended my 'test' mission with a small group of vehicles which 2 were BTR and a BMP. TBH I admit I didn't ever check in the AAR to find which vehicles had actually hit me -having just heard repeated bangs. I do know I was hit by a TOW from the BMP which did have fatal results in a subsequent running of the test, although I was able to land after that. The troop engagements were purely troops only.

I will run this test again shortly, and actually study the file after to 'count the hits'...

I will also make a track-file and watch it to see what/who fired and when. I can post it here if anyone is interested?


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ED please watch Apache Warrior on Netflix (yes I noticed it was an Apache not a Hip) to see how resilient a heli is in general to small arms fire - I am getting a little tired with LDG Gear/Tailboom etc. falling off after a few rounds from an AK.

Wanna fail engines/systems with an AK round through the engine/electrical bay - fine, but tail falling off - really?

 

Also - for the love of all things Stalin, please make the Mi-24 a tank like it actually is in real life!

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Exactly my thoughts! With the Hip's DM I was starting to get worried about the Hind's DM. That'd be really frustrating so I don't even wanna think about it.

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ED please watch Apache Warrior on Netflix (yes I noticed it was an Apache not a Hip) to see how resilient a heli is in general to small arms fire - I am getting a little tired with LDG Gear/Tailboom etc. falling off after a few rounds from an AK.

Wanna fail engines/systems with an AK round through the engine/electrical bay - fine, but tail falling off - really?

 

Also - for the love of all things Stalin, please make the Mi-24 a tank like it actually is in real life!

 

 

I totally agree with you regarding the survivability of the next Mi-24.

If not realistic (as for the Mi-8) I will for sure select the "immortal" option...:(

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On 5/19/2020 at 4:09 PM, VampireNZ said:

ED please watch Apache Warrior on Netflix (yes I noticed it was an Apache not a Hip) to see how resilient a heli is in general to small arms fire - I am getting a little tired with LDG Gear/Tailboom etc. falling off after a few rounds from an AK.

Wanna fail engines/systems with an AK round through the engine/electrical bay - fine, but tail falling off - really?

 

Also - for the love of all things Stalin, please make the Mi-24 a tank like it actually is in real life!

I did about 4 passes over 4 M4 infantry with no real damage, I took hits, they missed a bunch. But the tail didnt fall off and I was able to still fly normally. 

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