Syndrome Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Lol ya cant wait for this DM, lots of salt will come as the p51 and its cooling system is a huge weakness and will be exploited with well aimed shots.... heeh:pilotfly: Isn't this already in the game? One random shot within 10m of the engine results in the engine crapping out. Thought that's why we were getting the air cooled P47? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2019 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2019 Lol ya cant wait for this DM, lots of salt will come as the p51 and its cooling system is a huge weakness and will be exploited with well aimed shots.... heeh:pilotfly: That is one thing I am excited to see, if some of these virtual aces will be able to call their shots now. Of course I worry about those that get taken down by these vAces as well :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2019 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2019 Used to play golf with a P-38 pilot who got shot down five times in the pacific. He always said one of those times he didn't even hear anything hit his aircraft, it just stopped flying. Also golfed with an F6F instructor pilot (taught spin recovery). Played golf with a nose turret gunner on B-24s quite a bit; in fact he's the guy who taught me to golf when I was nine. They're all gone now, but the stories they told... Very cool that you got to hear those stories though. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 That is one thing I am excited to see, if some of these virtual aces will be able to call their shots now. Of course I worry about those that get taken down by these vAces as well :) When you eat 30mm from mk108 it does not matter you are going down :) System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2019 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2019 No, this is true... cannons ruin everyone's day. :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) What interest me in NDM is how is calculated the strength of air-frame. Can bullets or shrapnel or blast wave damage the air-frame structure and how it will affect the strength limit of it's structure. So how much strength of the wing or stabilizers will be reduced at what G load those thing will give up and fall apart. For example exact same damage can end up with completely different result 1st plane got some hits in wing structure beams but g load was 1G so plane make back to home. 2nd plane got some hits in wing structure beams but g load was 5 wing said good bye, plane crashed. How precise this broken part will be, Can we loose only wing tip, 1/3 os the wing or 1/2 or 3/4 or whole wing. Edited December 9, 2019 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel28 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just give us the proper fuel that we should have being late 44-45 and we could send some of these vAces running home crying to MaMa. But we all know this is not going to happen. Seems all games say one like to castrate the Pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2019 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just give us the proper fuel that we should have being late 44-45 and we could send some of these vAces running home crying to MaMa. But we all know this is not going to happen. Seems all games say one like to castrate the Pony. Castrated? Hmmm... https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4132805&postcount=449 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Castrated? Hmmm... https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4132805&postcount=449 Yes once every 1 billion years this may happen. What i do is drop from above and RTB :P System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel28 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 If that 109 had taken the Mustang into a vertical fight, as it should have, it would have had a Mustang for lunch. Without the extra HP that the fuel would provide along with it having a self exploding engine if you dare to use WEP it is fresh meat on the table in the vertical. The better fuel does not make it an uber plane just more evenly matched for the time period. Both of these shortcomings will kill the use of this plane when the 262 is released into the WW2 inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Yeah the introduction of the 262 is something I'm not sure I'm happy to see. It depends a lot on server operators...or the one, specifically, but when we get one (unless it's being held off for now), it's gotta be limited to just 2 or 3 slots Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapage Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Lol ya cant wait for this DM, lots of salt will come as the p51 and its cooling system is a huge weakness and will be exploited with well aimed shots.... heeh:pilotfly: Don't need well aimed shots take out the mustang, just spray it and you will disable the prop governor. From any angle, it's easy. No skill required if your flying the 109K4 since it completely outclasses the P51D. Edited December 10, 2019 by Snapage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapage Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Castrated? Hmmm... https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4132805&postcount=449 I can shoot bad pilots down to. Almost all these fights are very close to allied airfield/AA. Why would you be staying within running distance of friendly AA I wonder? Maybe because if you come across a K4 pilot who knows what they are doing you have to hide in the friendly AA or get shot down(in P51D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Well the k4 was faster in certain areas, I find outmaneuvering German birds easy in the p51. Don’t see why many have adopted the defeatist mentality, the boys back in the day executed with what they had. Have yet to have a engine governor shot out. Maybe maneuver more? I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I find outmaneuvering German birds easy in the p51 Haha, 109 no Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Haha, 109 no Dead serious, in vr and most importantly with a buttkicker with the software for dcs you know exactly the feel of the flight envelopes. I don’t know why people can’t out maneuver k4 in a p51. Suppose not having the true tactile feedback from the telemetry data is a big negative. Once I got the above setup warbirds became a whole new dimension. Every time I get online under another alias I always outmaneuver the Germans in the pony. Look into the buttkicker it will change the way you fly these birds.:thumbup: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=175028 Edited December 10, 2019 by Sniper175 I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 10, 2019 ED Team Share Posted December 10, 2019 If that 109 had taken the Mustang into a vertical fight, as it should have, it would have had a Mustang for lunch. Without the extra HP that the fuel would provide along with it having a self exploding engine if you dare to use WEP it is fresh meat on the table in the vertical. The better fuel does not make it an uber plane just more evenly matched for the time period. Both of these shortcomings will kill the use of this plane when the 262 is released into the WW2 inventory. If you mean to fly the plane the way it should be I agree with you, do not expect different fuel to make you a superhero. It still needs to be flown the way it should, and your bullets need to hit the aircraft ;) WWII didn't have much balancing in it, if it had, the Germans would have had a better time of it as well late in the war. You can take away their boost in the ME as well (historically pretty accurate as well as supplies were not always there). Better than adding a fuel that wasn't that widely used, and again, you will probably find it doesn't help you as much as you might think. It is requested as a new feature though. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Dead serious, in vr and most importantly with a buttkicker with the software for dcs you know exactly the feel of the flight envelopes. I don’t know why people can’t out maneuver k4 in a p51. Suppose not having the true tactile feedback from the telemetry data is a big negative. Once I got the above setup warbirds became a whole new dimension. Every time I get online under another alias I always outmaneuver the Germans in the pony. Look into the buttkicker it will change the way you fly these birds. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=175028Wait, what VR are you using? I recently got a Rift S and can't see squat with it in DCS, outside of the cockpit. Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Wait, what VR are you using? I recently got a Rift S and can't see squat with it in DCS, outside of the cockpit. Lord dude, rift s hit me up on discord I’m Crom:thumbup: I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Yeah the introduction of the 262 is something I'm not sure I'm happy to see. It depends a lot on server operators...or the one, specifically, but when we get one (unless it's being held off for now), it's gotta be limited to just 2 or 3 slots I think mkix as first allied fighter shot down me262 But we will need 150 fuel for it probably :P Edited December 10, 2019 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapage Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 If you mean to fly the plane the way it should be I agree with you, do not expect different fuel to make you a superhero. It still needs to be flown the way it should, and your bullets need to hit the aircraft ;) WWII didn't have much balancing in it, if it had, the Germans would have had a better time of it as well late in the war. You can take away their boost in the ME as well (historically pretty accurate as well as supplies were not always there). Better than adding a fuel that wasn't that widely used, and again, you will probably find it doesn't help you as much as you might think. It is requested as a new feature though. I think the current match up is good. I am not sure about what would happen if the P51D got 70 or 75" MP. Don't want the mustang to be too good because I would like the FW190D9 to still be competitive. Taking away MW50 in the 109 would just reverse the situation and make the 109 no match for the allied aircraft. If the mustang can use WEP in a reliable way then the 67" is not too bad. I think it's very frustrating not knowing how to use WEP without the engine blowing. Changes are being made constantly so its a matter of trial and error to see how things work. The mustang just has a lot of really annoying things happen with it. The prop govoner seems to fail most of the time from gunfire damage. Cant land with gear up without the pilot dieing most of the time. There are other issues that I am hesitant to mention because I'm not sure if they have been fixed. Improvements seem to be being made all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the problems I have mentioned previously have been fixed already. I appreciate the feedback and the ongoing improvements to all the modules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I would like 150 grade fuel though, maybe changeable via rearming window Same with ammo types, it's already done for some modules like the 18 I'm happy if the main focus on the WWII team is the DM though, until it's out. Sooner its released the better, and the sooner I'll be making AI shoot at me to see what breaks Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel28 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 What would be the difference in the higher octane fuel in the allied fighters? Here is your answer: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/150-grade-fuel.html If you read all the way you will see the US fighters in Europe had this by July 1944, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) I would like to have british version of p-51 called Mustang IV this one was cleared for 81" instead of 75" Additional 150 fuel is no magic p-51 will still develop the same amount of power at 61' same power at 67' it will get more power because higher boost. In my opinion 150 will affect very little fw190 D9 it will still smash p-51 but fight alt had to be choose wisely. right now p-51 has 67" crit alt at around 12k ft maybe lower at 75" it will run out of breath much much lower maybe even below 8k ft. Spit ix LF will have even shorter legs but at alts where it can boost 25lbs it will be deadly fast. 25lbs spit will shake balance hard time :) Edited December 10, 2019 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) That precision of air-frame strength calculation US engineers had, max 505 mph and plane starts fall apart exactly at 505 mph :P I dont know who put red line at exactly same point where air-frame is falling apart ?? maybe at least back it up 10 mph pls Edited December 10, 2019 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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